I'm Getting Strong 2010 Vibes

[*rfaulk34*]

(Yesterday, 02:25 PM)PhilHos Wrote: But if we do that, how are we supposed to *****-and-moan and doom-and-gloom?

[*jason*]

(Yesterday, 01:51 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: How about chargers and broncos? Really interested in the talent they brought in before 2024 that contributed to their turnaround.

Man really I think the Broncos were just a QB away for a few years. It was supposed to Russell Wilson.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(08-12-2025, 09:48 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: He's been a really good starter ever since he's been with the team. Are you dogging him for sack numbers? Check out all of the stats on the other 31 3Ts in the league, along with all of their other stats. BJ Hill measures up just fine, especially for the price range that he commands. If you want a sack artist at 3T? That's going to cost $25M+ (unless you draft one and get the benefit of a rookie contract) 

Spot on with BJ Hill. TLL provided stats comparing Larry O and BJ since the year we went to the SB and Hill blows away his numbers.

BJ Hill is as solid as it gets, all we have to be is solid this year on Defense and we have as good of a shot as anyone to make it back to the SB.

Liked what I saw of Kris Jenkins and McKinnley in the first preseason game too. We get push up the middle with Trey back and Shemar emerging
and it will make the entire Defense look way better.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(08-12-2025, 07:19 PM)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: I'm hoping the front 7 comes together this year.

I'm still very worried about FS and corner. 
Both have been very bad.
At this point I'm hoping they can be average.

They could really use a legit starter at corner and FS to solidify the group.
I'm not convinced we have a potential lockdown corner on the roster.

I'm expecting growing pains on defense this year and hopefully they can hit on a lockdown corner next year in the draft.

I'm really not concerned about the offense at all other than them staying healthy all year.

Yeah, if I have a concern on Defense it is FS and Corner as well. Stone was not good last year, I like Battle though at SS and think 
if Dax Hill, DJ Turner, CTB and Fig Newton can stay relatively healthy they could be a good room. But not a sure thing. The Offense
will be damn good if Burrow the OL and the weapons stay healthy.

[*rfaulk34*]

(Yesterday, 02:33 PM)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: All I'm saying is I wouldn't have high expectations for this defense this year.
It's going to take some time to develop what we have--and we need more talent on the defense as well.

If I were a betting man I'd bet on them being closer to worst than first on defense this year.
When you factor in other teams having to keep up with our offense--as well as the defense not being very good--it doesn't bode well.

If they surprise us they surprise us. But I wouldn't get your hopes up.

I don't know too many that have high expectations. I'm thinking a middling group is all they need. As close to 16 as they can be, but i think even a 20th ranked D gets them into the playoffs. Anything above 16th would just be icing on the cake. 

[Luvnit2]

(Yesterday, 02:43 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: I don't know too many that have high expectations. I'm thinking a middling group is all they need. As close to 16 as they can be, but i think even a 20th ranked D gets them into the playoffs. Anything above 16th would just be icing on the cake. 

This is spot on.

Bengals gave up 348 points a game which was 25th in league. If they improve 20 yards per game, they would be around 13th.
https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/team-stats?category=defense&season=2024

Points per game 25.5 or 26th in 2024. Improve 2 points and they are 19th.

My point is Bengals don't need to go to top 5 defense in 2025 with our NFL as you said. To get around 20th in yards allowed and points allowed is not a huge leap.

[Tomkat]

(08-12-2025, 03:23 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Burrow is 3-6 vs the Ravens in his career, and one of those wins was against Tyler Huntley. So no, we can’t beat “anyone.” We have a real problem with a team in our own division.

How many of those losses were due to the defense squandering away a late lead, with Burrow watching helplessly from the sideline?

[Nicomo Cosca]

(5 hours ago)Tomkat Wrote: How many of those losses were due to the defense squandering away a late lead, with Burrow watching helplessly from the sideline?

That’s exactly the point. You can’t claim this team can “beat anyone” when Burrow and Chase are healthy. They both went beast mode on the Ravens last season and we still lost both games.

[Bengalstripes9]

(4 hours ago)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: That’s exactly the point. You can’t claim this team can “beat anyone” when Burrow and Chase are healthy. They both went beast mode on the Ravens last season and we still lost both games.

How much did we lose those games by?

One break our way and we could have beat them.

Are you arguing it's not possible?

[Nicomo Cosca]

(4 hours ago)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: How much did we lose those games by?

One break our way and we could have beat them.

Are you arguing it's not possible?

If people want to hang their hats on “close losses” and feel they did enough to fix the defense (and OL) then more power to them. Me personally, I need to see it first.

[Bengalstripes9]

(4 hours ago)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: That’s exactly the point. You can’t claim this team can “beat anyone” when Burrow and Chase are healthy. They both went beast mode on the Ravens last season and we still lost both games.

Above you claim that we can't 'beat anyone'.

I merely point out you are wrong and that it is in fact possible.

(4 hours ago)Nicomo Cosca Wrote:

If people want to hang their hats on “close losses” and feel they did enough to fix the defense (and OL) then more power to them. Me personally, I need to see it first.

I did nothing of the sort.
I simply pointed out your poor logical reasoning skills (and it went over your head).

It is physically possible for the Bengals to win against any team in the league.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(2 hours ago)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: Above you claim that we can't 'beat anyone'.

I merely point out you are wrong and that it is in fact possible.


I did nothing of the sort.
I simply pointed out your poor logical reasoning skills (and it went over your head).

It is physically possible for the Bengals to win against any team in the league.

Thanks captain obvious. I agree that it is literally possible.

The point is it’s unlikely. I used Lamar and Ravens as an example because A.) they’re in our division, and B.) they have absolutely owned us in recent years. Lamar is 10-2 vs the Bengals. Again, let me see that even out a bit before I start believing “this offense can beat anyone.”

[Bengalstripes9]

(2 hours ago)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Thanks captain obvious. I agree that it is literally possible.

The point is it’s unlikely. I used Lamar and Ravens as an example because A.) they’re in our division, and B.) they have absolutely owned us in recent years. Lamar is 10-2 vs the Bengals. Again, let me see that even out a bit before I start believing “this offense can beat anyone.”

It’s idiotic to claim that it’s not possible for any team to beat any other team.

By the same token, it’s not really saying anything to claim that any team can beat any other team. Of course it’s possible.

My third point is arguing over the odds of us beating the ravens is dumb and a waste of time. We can opine about it all we want. But they are just opinions and its not worth the time of day.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(2 hours ago)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: It’s idiotic to claim that it’s not possible for any team to beat any other team.

By the same token, it’s not really saying anything to claim that any team can beat any other team. Of course it’s possible.

My third point is arguing over the odds of us beating the ravens is dumb and a waste of time. We can opine about it all we want. But they are just opinions and its not worth the time of day.

[Bengalstripes9]

(2 hours ago)Nicomo Cosca Wrote:

Go ahead and opine away. Just keep in mind that your opinion will be judged on how logical it is.

If you continue to say things that make no logical sense you will be called out on it.

Simply put, I would refrain from using absolutes that dont make sense logically.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(1 hour ago)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: Go ahead and opine away. Just keep in mind that your opinion will be judged on how logical it is.

If you continue to say things that make no logical sense you will be called out on it.

Simply put, I would refrain from using absolutes that dont make sense logically.

What the actual **** are you still going on about, guy? All I did was disagree with Luvinit that the Bengals offense was good enough to beat anyone. I provided an example of a team we’ve struggled mightily against despite Burrow and Chase balling out against them. Pointing out they technically - possibly - can beat them is some next level quibbling over semantics shit.

[Bengalstripes9]

(1 hour ago)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: What the actual **** are you still going on about, guy? All I did was disagree with Luvinit that the Bengals offense was good enough to beat anyone. I provided an example of a team we’ve struggled mightily against despite Burrow and Chase balling out against them. Pointing out they technically - possibly - can beat them is some next level quibbling over semantics shit.

Dude calm down.

Like i said, just try to be more logical and you wont get called out on it.

[Soonerpeace]

(Yesterday, 02:43 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: I don't know too many that have high expectations. I'm thinking a middling group is all they need. As close to 16 as they can be, but i think even a 20th ranked D gets them into the playoffs. Anything above 16th would just be icing on the cake. 

(Yesterday, 03:33 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: This is spot on.

Bengals gave up 348 points a game which was 25th in league. If they improve 20 yards per game, they would be around 13th.
https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/team-stats?category=defense&season=2024

Points per game 25.5 or 26th in 2024. Improve 2 points and they are 19th.

My point is Bengals don't need to go to top 5 defense in 2025 with our NFL as you said. To get around 20th in yards allowed and points allowed is not a huge leap.

Finally some common sense.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(1 hour ago)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: Dude calm down.

Like i said, just try to be more logical and you wont get called out on it.

Sure. As long as you try to be less pedantic.

[Bengalstripes9]

(53 minutes ago)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Sure. As long as you try to be less pedantic.

All i was doing was pointing out that it’s illogical to refute the claim that the bengals can beat any team—and that it’s illogical to say they cant beat any specific team.

We can talk about odds if you want.

Im guessing you would like to say we have a 2/10 chance of beating the ravens any given game because that is the record you brought up.

That might seem to make sense, but you fall victim to the logical fallacy called the gamblers fallacy. What happened before doesnt affect the odds of something similar happening in the future.

It might seem intuitive that past success increases the likelihood of future success, but the best you can do is give them an edge over the bengals greater than 50/50 based on the players/coaches on one team being better or more proven and one team having better matchups.

Seeing as the most recent games have been so close it likely comes down to who has the ball last and you have to give the ravens an edge with their ability to control the clock with the run game—but its not like their defense has been stellar recently either.

I agree you have to give the ravens the edge but to say it’s a lock doesnt make logical sense.

EDIT:

I looked up ‘pedantic’.

Now this is the 3rd or 4th time you either called me a name or belittled my point by sharing a facepalm emoji or something else disrespectful.

I on the other hand have not called you any names and have tried to be respectful. It isnt easy when someone is being disrespectful towards you but i am able to see through it.

Anytime someone resorts to this type of behavior (keep in mind name-calling is another logical fallacy) it doesnt bother me because i know what it means.

I do, however, ask that you be more respectful as there are rules and guidelines to follow on a message board. Someone like me might see right through it but you may offend a weaker minded person and thats simply not okay. So i ask that you be more respectful and refrain from name calling. Like i said, i could care less if you do it to me but im more looking out for others on the board.