Notes From Training Camp 2025

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(Yesterday, 04:56 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: JJ was only half right. I still don’t want Robbins back.

Someone wants Robbins back after the way Rehkow boomed it last year?

[Nicomo Cosca]

(Yesterday, 05:06 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Someone wants Robbins back after the way Rehkow boomed it last year?

JJ made that thread last season pointing out something was off with the operations because of Rehkow.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(Yesterday, 05:16 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: JJ made that thread last season pointing out something was off with the operations because of Rehkow.

Ah, I remember that. Rehkow did cost us a game with a bad hold last year, might of been the Chiefs game I forget.

He needs to work on his holds for sure, but Rehkow is one heck of a Punter. Robbins wasn't even close to as good IMO.

[NUGDUKWE]

(Yesterday, 10:25 AM)Essex Johnson Wrote: I think you are leaping a bit far if you have already decided after a couple weeks of highlights in camp that he is bad on right side besides you or I are not at the micro level that the coaches are and drafting a player is in theory bringing talent in, free agency does not mean success either, every year a team brings in a FA and they don;t perform to the level they expected.  The bottom line it is way too early to decide if a draft pick is bad at a position. 

Not saying he can't get there in his career. But I would be skeptical playing a 5th rd rookie on the OL playing a position he played in college. Certainly don't want to play them out of position even if they look good there in camp. Rivers has looked not playable on the right side. I just think they need another plan and it doesn't appear that's in the building. 

[SunsetBengal]

(Yesterday, 03:36 PM)Synric Wrote: Time on task. The Punter just has more time to practice holding. 

I was always under the impression that it was also partly due to the punter being used to handling long, and sometimes errant snaps and maintain composure.

[t3r3e3]

(Yesterday, 05:16 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: JJ made that thread last season pointing out something was off with the operations because of Rehkow.

Why not just make the backup QB the holder? Better passer, better hands.

[SouthernFan]

(Yesterday, 05:37 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Ah, I remember that. Rehkow did cost us a game with a bad hold last year, might of been the Chiefs game I forget.

He needs to work on his holds for sure, but Rehkow is one heck of a Punter. Robbins wasn't even close to as good IMO.

Not trying to defend Rehkow’s holding, but a lot of the issues last year were with Adomitis snaps being off line, high to the right causing Rehkow to twist up to catch the snap and barely getting it down for the kick.  Not everything was on Rehkow.  The operation being off may have contributed to McPherson’s groin injury. I was happy to see there would be a competition for long snapper but haven’t heard much more about it.

[jj22]

Adomitis snaps were definitely on the outside shoulder. Seemingly too much. I think they are coached that but his execution didn’t seem consistent. And it was notable in Rehkow having to jerk back and catch it. 

[jj22]

(Yesterday, 07:36 PM)t3r3e3 Wrote: Why not just make the backup QB the holder?  Better passer, better hands.

Right. Then maybe we’d get a fake! Backup QB’s hold all over the league. 

Simmons has gotten boring the last decade. We at least used to get thrown a bone with a fake punt from Peerman every once in awhile…. 

[NotBigzo]

(Yesterday, 02:29 PM)jj22 Wrote: https://thebengalsboard.com/thread-39256.html?highlight=punter

Man I forgot how unhinged Caesar would get. He had a raging hate boner towards you and me both

[sandwedge]

(Yesterday, 07:54 PM)SouthernFan Wrote: Not trying to defend Rehkow’s holding, but a lot of the issues last year were with Adomitis snaps being off line, high to the right causing Rehkow to twist up to catch the snap and barely getting it down for the kick.  Not everything was on Rehkow.  The operation being off may have contributed to McPherson’s groin injury. I was happy to see there would be a competition for long snapper but haven’t heard much more about it.

I pointed that out in a couple of threads. The holder has to get the ball out in front of his hands and not behind his right shoulder.

[Essex Johnson]

(Yesterday, 05:40 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: Not saying he can't get there in his career. But I would be skeptical playing a 5th rd rookie on the OL playing a position he played in college. Certainly don't want to play them out of position even if they look good there in camp. Rivers has looked not playable on the right side. I just think they need another plan and it doesn't appear that's in the building. 

Come on now you or I have no clue if Rivers cant play RT.. we are bystanders ...

[NUGDUKWE]

(Today, 12:36 AM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Come on now you or I have no clue if Rivers cant play RT.. we are bystanders ...

Yes I agree with this. Thats why I said after i watched a breakdown of camp from the last few days. Murphy ran the arch around him almost uncontested. So while im hoping for a big jump from Murphy seeing him get what could be 3 or 4 sacks against a guy is extremely troubling if we are gonna depend on him this season potentially.

[*pally*]

(Today, 12:36 AM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Come on now you or I have no clue if Rivers cant play RT.. we are bystanders ...

Media reports arevthat he does better on the left side than right side at tackle but that he appears too slow to play the outside at this point in time. They thought trying him at guard might be a better fit at least on the right side. They weren’t sure if the issue was just that he wasn’t adjusting well to the unfamiliar right side, where he had played mostly in camp, or something more fundamental

It was emphasized they really wanted to see him in a game situation

[Nepa]

(6 hours ago)pally Wrote: Media reports arevthat he does better on the left side than right side at tackle but that he appears too slow to play the outside at this point in time.  They thought trying him at guard might be a better fit at least on the right side.  They weren’t sure if the issue was just that he wasn’t adjusting well to the unfamiliar right side, where he had played mostly in camp, or something more fundamental

It was emphasized they really wanted to see him in a game situation

With a back-up QB, please.

[Nepa]

(Yesterday, 07:36 PM)t3r3e3 Wrote: Why not just make the backup QB the holder?  Better passer, better hands.

Rereading my comment in the JJ thread, I had referenced several prominent non-punters who have been holders for field goals in the past:

"Tom Brady (early in his career), Brett Favre, and Tony Romo have held for field goals. Backup QBs have held for field goals. Running backs and WRs have held for field goals: Danny Amendola and Hines Ward and Darren Sproles. The bottom line is to have someone who is good at handing the football and good under pressure. Mostly punters do it these days, but it doesn't have to be that way."

[*Synric*]

(Yesterday, 06:20 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I was always under the impression that it was also partly due to the punter being used to handling long, and sometimes errant snaps and maintain composure.

Maybe. I don't know much about punt or kicking. Paul just said that these guys have alot more time to practice together. Ryan Rehkow was also a rookie last year so hopefully theirs some improvement.

[*Synric*]

(6 hours ago)pally Wrote: Media reports arevthat he does better on the left side than right side at tackle but that he appears too slow to play the outside at this point in time.  They thought trying him at guard might be a better fit at least on the right side.  They weren’t sure if the issue was just that he wasn’t adjusting well to the unfamiliar right side, where he had played mostly in camp, or something more fundamental

It was emphasized they really wanted to see him in a game situation

I mean anyone who watched Jalen Rivers play at Miami could have told them he had issues with speed even on the left side. That's why people were slightly surprised when the Bengals said they were looking at him as the swing Tackle. 

[*rfaulk34*]

(4 hours ago)Nepa Wrote: Rereading my comment in the JJ thread, I had referenced several prominent non-punters who have been holders for field goals in the past:

"Tom Brady (early in his career), Brett Favre, and Tony Romo have held for field goals. Backup QBs have held for field goals. Running backs and WRs have held for field goals: Danny Amendola and Hines Ward and Darren Sproles. The bottom line is to have someone who is good at handing the football and good under pressure. Mostly punters do it these days, but it doesn't have to be that way."

Steve Kreider (backup WR) used to hold for Breech, at least for a while, back in the day. 

[*ochocincos*]

(3 hours ago)Synric Wrote: I mean anyone who watched Jalen Rivers play at Miami could have told them he had issues with speed even on the left side. That's why people were slightly surprised when the Bengals said they were looking at him as the swing Tackle. 

This is what gets me.
Isn't this the whole purpose of scouting?
Like they should not be taking a player not knowing whether they can or cannot play a position properly and then only afterward finding out they have to relegate them to a particular side or inside vs outside.
That should be figured out going into the draft.