Rank Our QBs (2025)

[*rfaulk34*]

(Yesterday, 02:48 PM)J24 Wrote: Behind this offense line? All of them would do worse than Burrow! No, QB can do what Burrow has done over the past 4 seasons when healthy. No other QB would have lead their team  to the Superbowl in the 2021 season and no other QB would  have lead the league in passing yards and TDs in 2024.

Ease off on the Peyote, hombre. 

[*rfaulk34*]

(Yesterday, 02:48 PM)J24 Wrote: Behind this offense line? All of them would do worse than Burrow! No, QB can do what Burrow has done over the past 4 seasons when healthy. No other QB would have lead their team  to the Superbowl in the 2021 season and no other QB would  have lead the league in passing yards and TDs in 2024.

So Burrow is the most mobile/elusive QB in the NFL right now?

[J24]

(Yesterday, 02:58 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: So Burrow is the most mobile/elusive QB in the NFL right now?

When did I say that?

[Luvnit2]

I said 2 or 3. I see Buffalo with a Allen. Trubisky as #1.

Rush for Jackson would require a retool of the Raven offense in my opinion

Browning has proven he can run our offense and win games as a Bengal QB.

[*rfaulk34*]

(Yesterday, 03:14 PM)J24 Wrote: When did I say that?

Right after you said this. 

"Behind this offense line? All of them would do worse than Burrow! No, QB can do what Burrow has done over the past 4 seasons when healthy. No other QB would have lead their team  to the Superbowl in the 2021 season and no other QB would  have lead the league in passing yards and TDs in 2024."



"No other QB" could do what he did implies that he's the most elusive/mobile QB in the NFL. 'No one else could have done better'. If no one else could do better, you're the best at it.

[Truck_1_0_1_]

Joe is #2, arguably #1.

Browning is arguably the best backup in the league, Woodside is arguably the best #3 in the league.

I voted 2, but we are arguably #1.

[Truck_1_0_1_]

(Yesterday, 03:37 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I said 2 or 3. I see Buffalo with a Allen. Trubisky as #1.

Rush for Jackson would require a retool of the Raven offense in my opinion

Browning has proven he can run our offense and win games as a Bengal QB.

Browning runs circles around current-day Trubisky.

Trubisky's best Comp. %? 67. Browning's? 70.4

Trubisky's TD%: 3.9. Browning's: 4.9

Trubisky's career rating: 86. Browning's: 98.4

Trubisky's stats really better than he is due to his sophmore season, full stop: every other year aside from that one, has been below average, he's been hurt or he's the backup.

And we all know Joe is better than Allen: anyone who says otherwise, c'mon.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(Yesterday, 02:54 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: There's nothing i can't refute because every QB has his advantages and disadvantages. I focused on you saying he benefits on so many things that Mahomes doesn't, because it's tangential. 

I'm not going to go line by line comparing every position and every coach because each player had his +/- and it's subjective. 

As was stated earlier, winning games and winning championships usually determines who is best and how do you argue against a guy that has 3 rings on his fingers, 5 super bowl appearances and has NEVER missed the AFCCG since he's been the starter?

As a side note, i've always been of the belief that excuses are for losers because you never hear them from the winning side...

Take all the hardware from Mahomes and give it to Burrow and tell me how hard you would laugh at anyone saying that any other QB is even in Burrow's tier. 

I said that Mahomes benefits from so many things that Burrow doesn't, you got things mixed up man. If you think Burrow has had better playcalling,
better coaching, a better OL, better RB's and a better team as a whole than Mahomes I don't know what to say to you, but you are crazy. Mahomes 
has had a lot of help to be in those Super Bowls and win them.

I wish Burrow had some of this help, he has better WR's that help him out and that is about it. Hopefully the playcalling, coaching, OL, RB's and 
Defense get better so Burrow has a chance at at least a SB win.

[J24]

(Yesterday, 04:10 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Right after you said this. 

"Behind this offense line? All of them would do worse than Burrow! No, QB can do what Burrow has done over the past 4 seasons when healthy. No other QB would have lead their team  to the Superbowl in the 2021 season and no other QB would  have lead the league in passing yards and TDs in 2024."



"No other QB" could do what he did implies that he's the most elusive/mobile QB in the NFL. 'No one else could have done better'. If no one else could do better, you're the best at it.

OK stretch Armstrong!

[Bengal Billy]

KC #1 Mahomes/Minshew imo.

I'm a definite Bengals Homer,, but c'mon man, Mahomes is #1 (puke). It's not even close at this point.

Not that I would want any other QB on Cincy than Burrow. He's elite and definitely my favorite. So glad he's on this team and not Mahomes, that meathead Allen, or superfreak rb Jackson.

[*rfaulk34*]

(Yesterday, 04:55 PM)J24 Wrote: OK stretch Armstrong!

It's not a stretch. It's black and white. If no one is better at something than you, you are the best. No wiggle room, no doubt, no question. 

[XsandOs]

(05-01-2025, 08:40 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I know you were arguing with J24 TLL, but Mahomes was like a mid-tier QB last year. It is a what have you done lately league.

Joe, Lamar along with maybe Goff and Allen were the best QB's last season. 

Mahomes benefits from so much along with great coaching that Joe simply does not have.

Although I ranked JB #2, I agree with the highlighted. 

Mahomes does benefit from great coaching and a good defense. But one of the most important factor in his/their success is the fact that AFC West collectively has been weak for several years, which gives some merit to the argument that he has had a competitive advantage. They have been feasting on Raiders, Broncos and Chargers for years. Chargers and Raiders put up some resistance a year or two, but thats it.  

I don't believe he would have had the same success playing in AFC North for Kevin Stefanski. Would he have had the same success playing the Ravens and Steelers 4 times a year and facing burrow twice a year? I firmly believe that the answer to that question in NO.

Payton and Harbaugh are changing that division and I would not be surprised to see impact on Mahome's success. Mahome's statistics downturn since '23 has coincided with arrival of Payton in '23 and Harbaugh in '24. 

When I first posted on this thread, I did ask that parameters/criteria be placed on how we rank the QBs. Strength of division should be one of the criteria. If 1/3 of your games every year have been against subpar Teams, you have an advantage. Burrow has had to face Superbowl winning coaches in their division 4 times EVERY year.  

Now Mahomes will face SB winning HCs 6 times each year. Once Payton, Harbaugh and Carrol get their Rosters set, lets then see how Mahomes does.

[*rfaulk34*]

(Yesterday, 09:17 PM)XsandOs Wrote: Although I ranked JB #2, I agree with the highlighted. 

Mahomes does benefit from great coaching and a good defense. But one of the most important factor in his/their success is the fact that AFC West collectively has been weak for several years, which gives some merit to the argument that he has had a competitive advantage. They have been feasting on Raiders, Broncos and Chargers for years. Chargers and Raiders put up some resistance a year or two, but thats it.  

I don't believe he would have had the same success playing in AFC North for Kevin Stefanski. Would he have had the same success playing the Ravens and Steelers 4 times a year and facing burrow twice a year? I firmly believe that the answer to that question in NO.

Payton and Harbaugh are changing that division and I would not be surprised to see impact on Mahome's success. Mahome's statistics downturn since '23 has coincided with arrival of Payton in '23 and Harbaugh in '24. 

When I first posted on this thread, I did ask that parameters/criteria be placed on how we rank the QBs. Strength of division should be one of the criteria. If 1/3 of your games every year have been against subpar Teams, you have an advantage. Burrow has had to face Superbowl winning coaches 4 times EVERY year.  

Mahomes is 13-3 vs the AFC North...

You can't just magically put him on the Browns and say he wouldn't be as good. 

[XsandOs]

(Yesterday, 09:27 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Mahomes is 13-3 vs the AFC North...

You can't just magically put him on the Browns and say he wouldn't be as good. 

There is a difference in having to play 6 games in the division every year, vs a collective 16 or so games divided over 8 years.  

And yes, I can. The point is having Andy Reid as HC is a plus.  Playing in AFC West is a plus. Having a good defense is a plus.

We are comparing situations as related to Mahomes vs Burrow.