Rank Our QBs (2025)

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(05-01-2025, 08:56 PM)BengalYankee Wrote: What's a Steeler fan doing in Jungle Noise???  

You see CottonHill around here?

[BengalYankee]

(05-01-2025, 08:58 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: You see CottonHill around here?

Who is Gohards???

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(05-01-2025, 08:40 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: It is a what have you done lately league.

And lately Mahomes was 1 game away from having THREE STRAIGHT SUPERBOWL RINGS.

(05-01-2025, 08:55 PM)J24 Wrote: When dealing with heavy  pressure Mahomes did not play well  for the first 3 quarters of the Superbowl. Similarly when Burrow was pressured heavily against the Broncos(who Mahomes also played mediocre against and needed to be bailed out by a blocked field goal) (where he got sacked 6 times and hit 15 times),he threw for 419 yards, 3 Tds, and 79.6 %. I honestly do not think there is another QB that can play at that level with the pressure he received that night including  Mahomes.

On top that Burrow had an MVP quality season leading the NFL in passing Yards and TD passes. Their isn't a player that elevates the players around him more than Burrow does and their isnt a QB in this league that would be as productive with this current offensive line as Burrow is.

Burrow didn't have an MVP quality season because he couldn't get the Ws in the end. He was 9-8 overall and just 2-7 against teams with a winning record. He missed the playoffs because he couldn't even throw 200 yards or even 1 TD against the Patriots.

If Burrow elevates players around him more than anyone else, why did we need to overpay Tee to keep him paired with the highest paid WR in NFL history to make the highest paid WR duo in NFL history?

Mahomes had 5 4th Quarter Comebacks and 7 Game Winning Drives. He went 17-2 in 2025 and you're just focused on one game in one year for each player. Mahomes has never had less than double-digit wins, he has never missed the AFCC.



Mahomes career playoff 17 game average: 67.7% completion, 4,707 yards (7.7 YPA), 37 TD/8 INT, 105.4 QB Rating
Burrow career playoff 17 game average: 67.3% completion, 4,435 yards (7.3 YPA), 22 TD/10 INT, 93.8 QB Rating 

Statistically better in every category, and obviously MUCH better in wins and rings. There's nothing wrong with accepting that the guy who will probably go down as the 2nd best QB in NFL history is the best QB in the NFL right now. Burrow being 2-3 in the NFL right now is still incredibly good.

[J24]

(05-01-2025, 09:59 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: And lately Mahomes was 1 game away from having THREE STRAIGHT SUPERBOWL RINGS.


Burrow didn't have an MVP quality season because he couldn't get the Ws in the end. He was 9-8 overall and just 2-7 against teams with a winning record. He missed the playoffs because he couldn't even throw 200 yards or even 1 TD against the Patriots.

If Burrow elevates players around him more than anyone else, why did we need to overpay Tee to keep him paired with the highest paid WR in NFL history to make the highest paid WR duo in NFL history?

Mahomes had 5 4th Quarter Comebacks and 7 Game Winning Drives. He went 17-2 in 2025 and you're just focused on one game in one year for each player. Mahomes has never had less than double-digit wins, he has never missed the AFCC.



Mahomes career playoff 17 game average: 67.7% completion, 4,707 yards (7.7 YPA), 37 TD/8 INT, 105.4 QB Rating
Burrow career playoff 17 game average: 67.3% completion, 4,435 yards (7.3 YPA), 22 TD/10 INT, 93.8 QB Rating 

Statistically better in every category, and obviously MUCH better in wins and rings. There's nothing wrong with accepting that the guy who will probably go down as the 2nd best QB in NFL history is the best QB in the NFL right now. Burrow being 2-3 in the NFL right now is still incredibly good.

Burrow lead the league in TD passes and Yards but because his defense played like shit means he didnt have an MVP caliber season? What type of logic is that?

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(05-01-2025, 10:56 PM)J24 Wrote: Burrow lead the league in TD passes and Yards but because his defense played like shit means he isn't MVP? What type of logic is that?

If playoff success didn't matter, then Lamar Jackson would be the best QB in the league because he had just 2 less passing TDs yet did it on 180 less pass attempts and 1.3 more yards per attempt, and 11.1 higher QB Rating while also having over 900 rushing yards with his history of multiple MVPs and All-Pros... but he's not the best, because playoff success does matter.

Hard truth is Burrow had multiple chances to win games in the 4th quarter that we lost, regardless of our shitty defense, and just wasn't very clutch.

Week 1: Only scored 10 points all game against a trash team, down by 6, 4th quarter, 3:04 and 3 TO left, 3-and-out.
Week 2: Up by 2, 4th quarter, less than 7 minutes left. Get the ball, punt, they get a game winning drive.
Week 5: Up by 3, 4th quarter, less then 6 minutes left. Get the ball, drive ends in INT, they get a game tying drive. Get the ball back tied with 1:35 and 3 TO, punt.
Week 11: Tied, 4th quarter, 1:26 and 2 TO left. 4 plays (31 seconds) and punt, giving them enough time to score.

He comes through on just one of those and Bengals make the playoffs rather than being 9-8 after he went 5-5 the year before.

[felis tigris]

My heart says "1" but as long as Mahomes is taking his team further (support staff notwithstanding), I have to say "2-3".  Backups only move the needle if they're dreadful, and that's not the case for us, KC or the Ratbirds.

[*bfine32*]

(05-01-2025, 11:21 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote:
If playoff success didn't matter, then Lamar Jackson would be the best QB in the league because he had just 2 less passing TDs yet did it on 180 less pass attempts and 1.3 more yards per attempt, and 11.1 higher QB Rating while also having over 900 rushing yards with his history of multiple MVPs and All-Pros... but he's not the best, because playoff success does matter.

Hard truth is Burrow had multiple chances to win games in the 4th quarter that we lost, regardless of our shitty defense, and just wasn't very clutch.

Week 1: Only scored 10 points all game against a trash team, down by 6, 4th quarter, 3:04 and 3 TO left, 3-and-out.
Week 2: Up by 2, 4th quarter, less than 7 minutes left. Get the ball, punt, they get a game winning drive.
Week 5: Up by 3, 4th quarter, less then 6 minutes left. Get the ball, drive ends in INT, they get a game tying drive. Get the ball back tied with 1:35 and 3 TO, punt.
Week 11: Tied, 4th quarter, 1:26 and 2 TO left. 4 plays (31 seconds) and punt, giving them enough time to score.

He comes through on just one of those and Bengals make the playoffs rather than being 9-8 after he went 5-5 the year before.

So do you assert that Cincy has been a better team than BAL and PIT over the last 5 years? 

[TecmoBengals]

(05-01-2025, 08:36 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: What? You callin' me a homer?

In my sport's fandom life I try to avoid homerism, but when it comes to Burrow I'm all in. 

I previously had a small window where Ken Griffey Jr. could do no wrong after he joined the Reds.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(Yesterday, 09:05 AM)TecmoBengals Wrote: In my sport's fandom life I try to avoid homerism, but when it comes to Burrow I'm all in. 

I previously had a small window where Ken Griffey Jr. could do no wrong after he joined the Reds.

I getcha and yeah, I have always admitted that I am a bit of a homer. I will criticize though, not much to criticize Burrow on last season.

At least mid to late season, he was historically great through that stretch passing all the greats with his numbers in that stretch.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(05-01-2025, 09:59 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: And lately Mahomes was 1 game away from having THREE STRAIGHT SUPERBOWL RINGS.

Bottom line is he didn't get 3 straight SB wins thank God and he played mediocre all last season and in the Super Bowl IMO.

Burrow and Lamar were the best 2 QB's last season and Burrow edged him out numbers wise with less help. Are you saying Jalen Hurts is a 
better QB than Burrow because he won the SB last season? Help has to be acknowledged in ranking QB's IMO. I know wins mean a ton but 
if Burrow had even a decent Defense last season, we win at least a couple more games and make the Playoffs and who knows how far we 
would go with him and Ja'Marr playing like that...

[*rfaulk34*]

(05-01-2025, 08:40 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I know you were arguing with J24 TLL, but Mahomes was like a mid-tier QB last year. It is a what have you done lately league.

Joe, Lamar along with maybe Goff and Allen were the best QB's last season. 

Mahomes benefits from so much along with great coaching that Joe simply does not have.

You should really re-read that and look at who the Bengals have on their team...

[*rfaulk34*]

(05-01-2025, 08:55 PM)J24 Wrote: When dealing with heavy  pressure Mahomes did not play well  for the first 3 quarters of the Superbowl. Similarly when Burrow was pressured heavily against the Broncos(who Mahomes also played mediocre against and needed to be bailed out by a blocked field goal) (where he got sacked 6 times and hit 15 times),he threw for 419 yards, 3 Tds, and 79.6 %. I honestly do not think there is another QB that can play at that level with the pressure he received that night including  Mahomes.

On top that Burrow had an MVP quality season leading the NFL in passing Yards and TD passes. Their isn't a player that elevates the players around him more than Burrow does and their isnt a QB in this league that would be as productive with this current offensive line as Burrow is.

I...really can't take some of you seriously. 

Why do i even respond to these types of posts? 

[J24]

(Yesterday, 02:16 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: I...really can't take some of you seriously. 

Why do i even respond to these types of posts? 

Which QB would do better with this offensive line?

[*rfaulk34*]

(05-01-2025, 09:59 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: And lately Mahomes was 1 game away from having THREE STRAIGHT SUPERBOWL RINGS.


Burrow didn't have an MVP quality season because he couldn't get the Ws in the end. He was 9-8 overall and just 2-7 against teams with a winning record. He missed the playoffs because he couldn't even throw 200 yards or even 1 TD against the Patriots.

If Burrow elevates players around him more than anyone else, why did we need to overpay Tee to keep him paired with the highest paid WR in NFL history to make the highest paid WR duo in NFL history?

Mahomes had 5 4th Quarter Comebacks and 7 Game Winning Drives. He went 17-2 in 2025 and you're just focused on one game in one year for each player. Mahomes has never had less than double-digit wins, he has never missed the AFCC.



Mahomes career playoff 17 game average: 67.7% completion, 4,707 yards (7.7 YPA), 37 TD/8 INT, 105.4 QB Rating
Burrow career playoff 17 game average: 67.3% completion, 4,435 yards (7.3 YPA), 22 TD/10 INT, 93.8 QB Rating 

Statistically better in every category, and obviously MUCH better in wins and rings. There's nothing wrong with accepting that the guy who will probably go down as the 2nd best QB in NFL history is the best QB in the NFL right now. Burrow being 2-3 in the NFL right now is still incredibly good.

Plus, i already kinda showed the 5 times Burrow had the ball in his hands last year with a chance to win and didn't finish. I'm glad he's the QB of the Bengals because i believe he has the ability to win a championship. 


Ok. (start) rant. 

If you think Joe Burrow is the #1 best QB in the NFL right now, your opinion on players should never again be taken seriously. Ever. Mahomes is clearly the #1 QB in the NFL right now and the one and only QB i would trade Burrow for. To me, Burrow is #2 with Jackson and Allen in the conversation. I would not trade Burrow for any QB in the NFL today, other than Mahomes. Throw in all the excuses you want. I'll have an answer for every one of them. Mahomes just doesn't fail in crunch time with the game on the line. 
(end) rant. 

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(Yesterday, 02:15 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: You should really re-read that and look at who the Bengals have on their team...

Doesn't make what I said untrue Rfaulk.

Joe has better WR's and better Tackles (and even this is iffy). Mahomes has had a way better IOL, way better TE's, way better RB's, way better 
Defenses on the other side of him and WAY better play calling and coaching. This is why he has won so many Super Bowls and has been the better 
QB over their careers.

But Joe and the Bengals still have their number if any team does besides the Eagles now and Joe had a way better season last year despite all of 
this which makes him the #1 even over Lamar Jackson who was way better than Mahomes last year as well.

[*rfaulk34*]

(Yesterday, 02:23 PM)J24 Wrote: Which QB would do better with this offensive line?

Which QB would do worse with Chase and Tee to throw to?

[*rfaulk34*]

(Yesterday, 02:35 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Doesn't make what I said untrue Rfaulk.

Joe has better WR's and better Tackles (and even this is iffy). Mahomes has had a way better IOL, way better TE's, way better RB's, way better 
Defenses on the other side of him and WAY better play calling and coaching. This is why he has won so many Super Bowls and has been the better 
QB over their careers.

But Joe and the Bengals still have their number if any team does besides the Eagles now and Joe had a way better season last year despite all of 
this which makes him the #1 even over Lamar Jackson who was way better than Mahomes last year as well.

Yes it does. You said he benefits so much more when he simply doesn't. 

Go ahead and believe that Burrow is the best. No skin off my teeth. It's just simply not true. It's not like #2 is some kind of insult. 

You can throw all the this and that's in there you want. Burrow doesn't have the track record of finishing games that Mahomes does. Not even close. 

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(Yesterday, 02:41 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Yes it does. You said he benefits so much more when he simply doesn't. 

Go ahead and believe that Burrow is the best. No skin off my teeth. It's just simply not true. It's not like #2 is some kind of insult. 

You can throw all the this and that's in there you want. Burrow doesn't have the track record of finishing games that Mahomes does. Not even close. 

Nor the help. Cannot believe you discounted everything I said, that is some Fredtoastesque shit right there...

Take one sentence and ignore the entire post that you cannot refute eh?

[J24]

(Yesterday, 02:36 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Which QB would do worse with Chase and Tee to throw to?

Behind this offense line? All of them would do worse than Burrow! No, QB can do what Burrow has done over the past 4 seasons when healthy. No other QB would have lead their team  to the Superbowl in the 2021 season and no other QB would  have lead the league in passing yards and TDs in 2024.

[*rfaulk34*]

(Yesterday, 02:43 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Nor the help. Cannot believe you discounted everything I said, that is some Fredtoastesque shit right there...

Take one sentence and ignore the entire post that you cannot refute eh?

There's nothing i can't refute because every QB has his advantages and disadvantages. I focused on you saying he benefits on so many things that Mahomes doesn't, because it's tangential. 

I'm not going to go line by line comparing every position and every coach because each player had his +/- and it's subjective. 

As was stated earlier, winning games and winning championships usually determines who is best and how do you argue against a guy that has 3 rings on his fingers, 5 super bowl appearances and has NEVER missed the AFCCG since he's been the starter?

As a side note, i've always been of the belief that excuses are for losers because you never hear them from the winning side...

Take all the hardware from Mahomes and give it to Burrow and tell me how hard you would laugh at anyone saying that any other QB is even in Burrow's tier.