I'm Getting Strong 2010 Vibes

[SunsetBengal]

(6 hours ago)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: It's come down to waiting for BJ Hill to save us?

Hendrickson will have an impact for sure but they need someone else to emerge from the other 10 positions.

I'd be more cautious in your optimism if I were you.

If you don't believe in BJ Hill, then I suggest you go back and re-watch some film of last year's games. That guy doesn't take downs off, he's full speed every down. When he's in pursuit he looks like he's in fast forward, compared to a younger and supposedly faster guy like Myles Murphy who looks like he's running in quick sand.

[Bengalstripes9]

(6 hours ago)SunsetBengal Wrote: If you don't believe in BJ Hill, then I suggest you go back and re-watch some film of last year's games. That guy doesn't take downs off, he's full speed every down. When he's in pursuit he looks like he's in fast forward, compared to a younger and supposedly faster guy like Myles Murphy who looks like he's running in quick sand.

I don't see him as a player to build the defense around.
He's never really been a great starter.
He's been a great rotational piece but he's getting old.
As soon as we relied on him to start the defense fell apart.

A good defense needs atleast one great starter at every position group.
We have one at DE.
I'd call Hill average to above average--but definitely not great.

[*jason*]

(Yesterday, 02:56 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I have no 2010 vibes. Burrow makes CP look like an average NFL QB and I loved Chad, but Chase is tons better. Tee is much better than 2020 TO. Brown is best RB we have have had in a long time.

The 2010 team did not have the NFL sack leader (maybe) and a ton of young defensive talent in my humble opinion.

So, nope a healhy JB and Chase and this team can beat anyone, not so with CP. I watched CP totally blow a home game against the Cowboys. CP was never the same after his knee injury, went from great to good NFL QB.

The 2010 team had a rookie Carlos Dunlap, and Geno Atkins... And a secondary which featured Reggie Nelson, Leon Hall, JJ , and Pacman... Oh and a proven NFL DC. The current defense has a long way to go to match that.

[SunsetBengal]

(6 hours ago)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: I don't see him as a player to build the defense around.
He's never really been a great starter.
He's been a great rotational piece but he's getting old.
As soon as we relied on him to start the defense fell apart.

A good defense needs atleast one great starter at every position group.
We have one at DE.
I'd call Hill average to above average--but definitely not great.

He's been a really good starter ever since he's been with the team. Are you dogging him for sack numbers? Check out all of the stats on the other 31 3Ts in the league, along with all of their other stats. BJ Hill measures up just fine, especially for the price range that he commands. If you want a sack artist at 3T? That's going to cost $25M+ (unless you draft one and get the benefit of a rookie contract) 

[Bengalstripes9]

(6 hours ago)SunsetBengal Wrote: He's been a really good starter ever since he's been with the team. Are you dogging him for sack numbers? Check out all of the stats on the other 31 3Ts in the league, along with all of their other stats. BJ Hill measures up just fine, especially for the price range that he commands. If you want a sack artist at 3T? That's going to cost $25M+ (unless you draft one and get the benefit of a rookie contract) 

If you think he's a great 3T that's cool.

I think he's average to above average.
Our DT play fell off a cliff a couple years ago when he became the starter--but he got injured too.

I get you think the defense will be good this year.
I don't.

We'll have to agree to disagree.
I'm not going to argue with you about it.
I would certainly love to see the defense be average or better.
I'll believe it when I see it.

I like our first round pick and have high expectations for him.
But he's one player and the Bengals need a lot more help than that on D.
I like the second round pick as well.
A lot of these recent draft picks on defense are still very young and a good amount of them have low ceilings.
I'm hoping to see improvement this year and then a good draft next year.
We'll see what happens.

[NUGDUKWE]

(7 hours ago)Bengalion Wrote: My expectations with the current team are way higher than what I had back in 2010. Geno and Dunlap were rookies then, and nobody really knew how good they’d turn out to be. Our secondary was solid with Leon Hall and Jonathan Joseph. But now, we know what we’re capable of with Burrow, Chase, and Higgins. This team has already made it to two straight conference championships, something Marvin and Palmer never even came close to doing. But if the expectations are higher now, that also means there’s a lot less room for error. If this team doesn’t make the playoffs this season, Zac Taylor shouldn’t be the head coach next year.

I'm certainly not a Taylor apologist and I definitely think Burrow is the far bigger reason this offense works. But if we fail to make the playoffs I think it will come down to OL and or the defense not having enough talent added. Not so sure that should land on Taylor rather than the FO not doing what they could've done.