Zack Moss Released

[Truck_1_0_1_]

(08-04-2025, 09:08 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: still a rookie, Brown came in with alot of experience and still struggled some rookie year.. i like to start out with Brown and Perrine, feed Brooks slowly

Huh? No he didn't, he was a bit hobbled IIRC and when finally DID get some playing time (Jags game), he ran with it (literally) and didn't struggle at all.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(08-04-2025, 09:04 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Yes sir

I'm excited to see what our, IMHO, improved backfield can do this season? That is if ZT and Co. will run the ball enough. I feel Moss's departure was addition by subtraction.

Yes, we will see if we run the ball more this season with this improved backfield. Chase Brown shown a lot last year and shown he 
can be a weapon for us in both the running and passing game. We all know Samaje is a dual threat, but he is getting up there in age
so adding Tahj Brooks in the 6th round was a good move. Very deep Draft for RB's is the only reason he fell this far.

Tahj is a good inside zone RB, fits like a glove if we can get some movement with the OL.

(08-04-2025, 09:08 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: still a rookie, Brown came in with alot of experience and still struggled some rookie year.. i like to start out with Brown and Perrine, feed Brooks slowly

I don't think Chase Brown struggled as a rookie he just had to grow a lot.

Chase Brown was not a good pass protector or good at catching the ball out of the backfield his rookie year, but he really worked his 
ass off last year and made his weaknesses strengths. Tahj is more pro ready than Chase Brown was as a rookie IMO.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(08-05-2025, 11:33 AM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Huh? No he didn't, he was a bit hobbled IIRC and when finally DID get some playing time (Jags game), he ran with it (literally) and didn't struggle at all.

That was the only game all that year he had over 4.0ypc.

In the final 5 games after that Jags game, he had 3.4ypc.
On the opponent's side of the field on the year he had 2.8ypc.
In the Red Zone he had 4 carries for -13 yards.
In the 4th quarter he had 11 carries for 13 yards and 0 first downs.
With the lead or in a tie game he had 25 carries for 80 yards (3.2ypc) and just 2 first downs.

I think trying to frame Chase Brown's rookie season as "didn't struggle at all" once the Jags game happened (which was all the way until Week 13) is false, Truck. 

It doesn't take away from the fact that he seemed to have grown and gotten better in 2024... but he absolutely struggled as a rookie.

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As for Essex's other point of feeding Brooks slowly, I am a firm believer on if a RB is the guy he's the guy from Day 1 and so just throw him in the deep end. He either swims or doesn't. RB careers are too short to bother piddling around with dipping a toe in.
(Not a commentary on if I believe Brooks is the guy or not, just saying if you do believe he is, then just give him the workload immediately.)

[*Synric*]

(08-04-2025, 09:08 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: still a rookie, Brown came in with alot of experience and still struggled some rookie year.. i like to start out with Brown and Perrine, feed Brooks slowly

Tahj Brooks had about 200 more rushing attempts than Chase Brown coming out of college. Also Brooks is much better in protection and as a receiver than Brown was coming out of college. Chase Brown had alot of upside as a receiver which showed up last year but he didn't get alot of opportunities at Illinois in the passing game as a blocker or receiver.

[*Synric*]

(08-05-2025, 04:34 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: That was the only game all that year he had over 4.0ypc.

In the final 5 games after that Jags game, he had 3.4ypc.
On the opponent's side of the field on the year he had 2.8ypc.
In the Red Zone he had 4 carries for -13 yards.
In the 4th quarter he had 11 carries for 13 yards and 0 first downs.
With the lead or in a tie game he had 25 carries for 80 yards (3.2ypc) and just 2 first downs.

I think trying to frame Chase Brown's rookie season as "didn't struggle at all" once the Jags game happened (which was all the way until Week 13) is false, Truck. 

It doesn't take away from the fact that he seemed to have grown and gotten better in 2024... but he absolutely struggled as a rookie.

The clear jump Brown took was in the receiving game. Until 2024 Chase Brown didn't have an expanded route tree.

[Truck_1_0_1_]

(08-05-2025, 04:34 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: That was the only game all that year he had over 4.0ypc.

In the final 5 games after that Jags game, he had 3.4ypc.
On the opponent's side of the field on the year he had 2.8ypc.
In the Red Zone he had 4 carries for -13 yards.
In the 4th quarter he had 11 carries for 13 yards and 0 first downs.
With the lead or in a tie game he had 25 carries for 80 yards (3.2ypc) and just 2 first downs.

I think trying to frame Chase Brown's rookie season as "didn't struggle at all" once the Jags game happened (which was all the way until Week 13) is false, Truck. 

It doesn't take away from the fact that he seemed to have grown and gotten better in 2024... but he absolutely struggled as a rookie.

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As for Essex's other point of feeding Brooks slowly, I am a firm believer on if a RB is the guy he's the guy from Day 1 and so just throw him in the deep end. He either swims or doesn't. RB careers are too short to bother piddling around with dipping a toe in.
(Not a commentary on if I believe Brooks is the guy or not, just saying if you do believe he is, then just give him the workload immediately.)

I wasn't talking about just the running, he made a huge impact in the receiving game too  (albeit on screens).

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(08-05-2025, 07:45 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: I wasn't talking about just the running, he made a huge impact in the receiving game too  (albeit on screens).

Sure but if a running back struggled at, y'know running.... you can't say he "didn't struggle at all".

[SunsetBengal]

So with Tajh Brooks looking good so far, is it safe to say that nobody is going to miss Zack Moss this year?

[Shake n Blake]

They must have gotten a look at him and not liked what they saw.

[BengalsBong]

They need to release Jake Browning and rattle some cages.

[Truck_1_0_1_]

(Yesterday, 02:59 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: They must have gotten a look at him and not liked what they saw.

Naw, he just hasn't been fully-healed and, "it was made known," (they said lol) that he was conflicted about coming back due to his broken neck.

They have him a bit more guaranteed to do him a solid, IMO, so that he would be taken care of if he did step away or get cut.

[Truck_1_0_1_]

(Yesterday, 03:05 PM)BengalsBong Wrote: They need to release Jake Browning and rattle some cages.

I need to step away from this place after the PS games: even if we won 72-0, there would be people shitting on players and overreacting at everything.

IT'S THE ******* PRESEASON.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(08-05-2025, 08:35 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: So with Tajh Brooks looking good so far, is it safe to say that nobody is going to miss Zack Moss this year?

I think it is safe to say that. Tahj looked good last night, loved how he hit pass rushers as well in pass protection, dude is physical.

(Yesterday, 02:59 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: They must have gotten a look at him and not liked what they saw.

As Truck said, he was hurt. BTW nice seeing you again Shake, been a while.

(Yesterday, 03:09 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: I need to step away from this place after the PS games: even if we won 72-0, there would be people shitting on players and overreacting at everything.

IT'S THE ******* PRESEASON.

I getcha brother. 

[Shake n Blake]

(Yesterday, 05:12 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: As Truck said, he was hurt. BTW nice seeing you again Shake, been a while.

I wasn't necessarily talking about his talent. I also meant that they could've seen his progress from healing (or lack thereof) and not liked what they saw.

And the feeling is mutual, Nate. I missed a lot of you guys.

[*PhilHos*]

(Yesterday, 03:09 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: I need to step away from this place after the PS games: even if we won 72-0, there would be people shitting on players and overreacting at everything.

IT'S THE ******* PRESEASON.

No one was on the discord yesterday so I went into the GameDay thread. Wasn't the worst I've ever seen it, but still so many stupid takes (I could be misremembering but I swear I saw someone wanted Golden fired after the Eagles 1st TD) I was reminded why I don't frequent it anymore.

[*rfaulk34*]

(Yesterday, 05:19 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I wasn't necessarily talking about his talent. I also meant that they could've seen his progress from healing (or lack thereof) and not liked what they saw.

And the feeling is mutual, Nate. I missed a lot of you guys.

Don't worry. I'm still holding down the COV for you. 

[SunsetBengal]

(Yesterday, 05:12 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I think it is safe to say that. Tahj looked good last night, loved how he hit pass rushers as well in pass protection, dude is physical.

Yeah, he seems like he enjoys the contact part of the game. I'd like to see him get a few reps with the first team O.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(Yesterday, 07:08 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Yeah, he seems like he enjoys the contact part of the game. I'd like to see him get a few reps with the first team O.

He does, saw Samaje out there pass protecting too and he did a good job, they just never gave him a carry or I must of missed it.

I liked giving Tahj and even Brightwell a good amount of carries so we know what we have here. Tahj is special, I think most think so
and we don't want Chase Brown going down. I find Tahj to be more of a tote the rock a lot type of back, Chase is the take it the distance
back.

[Shake n Blake]

(Yesterday, 05:42 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Don't worry. I'm still holding down the COV for you. 

Haha. Rfaulk! Man I miss my COV all the time. Cut in the hill is a thing of beauty. I have been going down there yearly to see family since 2023. It's been great.

Hopefully all is well with ya brother.

[BengalsBong]

(Yesterday, 03:09 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: I need to step away from this place after the PS games: even if we won 72-0, there would be people shitting on players and overreacting at everything.

IT'S THE ******* PRESEASON.

Noodle arm never was good he was a safety blanket for Zac. Zac loved him but he sucks if you are not trying to upgrade at every position then you are going backwards.

We have never brought anyone into compete for the backup QB spot the most important position on the field. Bunch of bums that never stood a chance of breaking up Zac and Browning bromance.