Is Shemar holding out?

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(Yesterday, 12:50 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: I excuse what is going on with stewart because when all is said and done its meaningless..life goes on...stewart will make his millions..he will be in summmer training camp and hopefully will help our defense..If you want to dwell on what you consider to be dysfunction look no further than cleveland and the circus surrounding the quarterback situation..

Yeah, this is actually not as bad as last year with Ja'Marr and Tee honestly. Stewart will by signed soon and hopefully Trey as well will sign his
pay raise as well. I am not worried, but I wasn't worried last year either and we started out slow once again.

(Yesterday, 01:15 PM)sloSTI Wrote: So nobody knows what the language is that he keeps talking about?

I don't, maybe somebody else knows the details on why it is such a bad contract for Shemar?

(Yesterday, 01:26 PM)TecmoBengals Wrote: I don't mind him speaking up because we've seen the Brown family take the difficult path with players and player contracts for decades.

I don't mind either, but Good Morning Football sure were just telling him to shutup lol

(Yesterday, 01:30 PM)ochocincos Wrote: They cannot be mandatory for someone not technically under contract.

Yep.

[jj22]

Thanks for bringing up Jamar and Tee....

Eric you see how their lack of spring effected the start of the season..... 

[jj22]

(Yesterday, 12:45 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: Stewart will be signed..he will be in summer camp..you clearly dont understand manditory minicamps..players are not even allowed to wear pads..me playing football or you playing football at any level has nothing to do with facts

Well if you don't believe me believe Burrow who spoke on the importance of having his teammates there during the spring unlike last year..... Maybe it's just the messenger. Funny how you change the messenger and suddenly it all make sense when hearing it form someone else. 

QUICK HITS | Joe Burrow Takes Bengals Offense For A Star Trek Spin: 'I Think We're In A Spot That We Haven't Been Before.'

Quote:Bengals Pro Bowl quarterback Joe Burrow met the press standing in socks after Tuesday's first day of mandatory minicamp, and he put his foot down when it came to the good vibes emanating from his 2025 offense.


Why not? The Bengals are on a star trek where they've never been before. Of his five mandatories, this is the first one all four of his top receivers are back and operating at full tilt with him.

"I think we're in a spot that we haven't been before," Burrow said. "Guys coming off a season healthy, getting all of our guys back. It's been weird this offseason not having to really take a new guy that we're counting on under my wing and trying to teach him what I'm looking at, what we want out of each play. That takes a lot of time."

But not this year. There is no new tight end, such as Hayden Hurst or Mike Gesicki. There's no departing starting receiver like Tyler Boyd. There's no franchise tags or hanging extensions.

Gesicki is back after his 65-catch year. So are the league's two highest-paid receivers in Ja’Marr Chase and Tee Higgins, as well as a blossoming third-year receiver named Andrei Iosivas.

"Signing Mike back was big. Andrei coming back. We have all the guys in the wide receiver room back that we've already had all these discussions," Burrow said. "So now you can take it to the next level and talk a little more in depth about those things and that's just going to continue to make us better."

Jump to a story section:

[*rfaulk34*]

(Yesterday, 12:42 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: Actually they do..every single day ..dozens of sports commentators offer personal discourse  and opinion regarding almost every team in the NFL

To compare that to what they say about the Bengals is assinine. 

[Bengalitis]

(Yesterday, 01:30 PM)ochocincos Wrote: They cannot be mandatory for someone not technically under contract.

hmm... when is the deadline to sign? 

[*ochocincos*]

Let's just put it out there...
Stewart hadn't been overly productive in college.
He needs work to learn how to finish better.

A pressure is fine, but a hit/sack is preferred.
Same with TFLs.

Stewart only had 12 TFLs across 37 college games.
Let's compare that to the other DEs on the roster from when they were in college:
Hendrickson - 42 TFLs across 40 games
Ossai - 31 TFLs across 36 games
Murphy - 37 TFLs across 38 games
Sample - 22 TFLs across 46 games
Cedric Johnson - 23 TFLs across 46 games

Stewart just flat out needs as much coaching as possible to get him to become effective in the NFL.
As long as he continues to hold out, the longer it's delaying that.

Obviously the thing I care about most is Bengals winning and getting back deep into the postseason, but I also want to see Stewart put up some stats to justify his draft selection.
I'm not being overly harsh when I ask for 4+ sacks, 5+ TFLs.
Jared Verse, taken 19th overall last year, had 4.5 sacks and 11 TFLs last year.
Laiatu Latu, taken 15th overall last year, had 4.0 sacks and 5 TFLs.
Chop Robinson, taken 21st overall last year, had 6.0 sacks and 8 TFLs.

Bengals, with all the money they are pouring into Burrow, Chase, and Higgins (and maybe Hendrickson?), need their early-round picks (especially 1st rounders) to contribute more immediately so they don't fall back into middle-of-the-pack and stay there now that they can't go all out for defense in FA like they did when Burrow, Chase, and Higgins were on rookie deals.

This isn't all on Stewart either. Yes, he should want to be out there so he can better hit the ground running come Week 1, but Bengals invested a premium draft pick into him vs addressing another area of value, so it's in their interest too to get as much out of him this year as they can.

[Hammerstripes]

(Yesterday, 02:13 PM)Bengalitis Wrote: hmm... when is the deadline to sign? 

I might be wrong, but I think it's like Week 9 of the season.  It used to be the same date as when you had to sign your tag and report without losing a year of service.

If it goes that long and the deadline passes he will go back into the draft next year.  I can only remember 1 time it happened off the top of my head:

1990 Craig Erickson drafted by the Eagles and then went back into the draft and was drafted by the Bucs.

[Soonerpeace]

(Yesterday, 02:17 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Let's just put it out there...
Stewart hadn't been overly productive in college.
He needs work to learn how to finish better.

A pressure is fine, but a hit/sack is preferred.
Same with TFLs.

Stewart only had 12 TFLs across 37 college games.
Let's compare that to the other DEs on the roster from when they were in college:
Hendrickson - 42 TFLs across 40 games
Ossai - 31 TFLs across 36 games
Murphy - 37 TFLs across 38 games
Sample - 22 TFLs across 46 games
Cedric Johnson - 23 TFLs across 46 games

Stewart just flat out needs as much coaching as possible to get him to become effective in the NFL.
As long as he continues to hold out, the longer it's delaying that.

Obviously the thing I care about most is Bengals winning and getting back deep into the postseason, but I also want to see Stewart put up some stats to justify his draft selection.
I'm not being overly harsh when I ask for 4+ sacks, 5+ TFLs.
Jared Verse, taken 19th overall last year, had 4.5 sacks and 11 TFLs last year.
Laiatu Latu, taken 15th overall last year, had 4.0 sacks and 5 TFLs.
Chop Robinson, taken 21st overall last year, had 6.0 sacks and 8 TFLs.

Bengals, with all the money they are pouring into Burrow, Chase, and Higgins (and maybe Hendrickson?), need their early-round picks (especially 1st rounders) to contribute more immediately so they don't fall back into middle-of-the-pack and stay there now that they can't go all out for defense in FA like they did when Burrow, Chase, and Higgins were on rookie deals.

This isn't all on Stewart either. Yes, he should want to be out there so he can better hit the ground running come Week 1, but Bengals invested a premium draft pick into him vs addressing another area of value, so it's in their interest too to get as much out of him this year as they can.

We’ve been awful at first rounders contributing early on defense.

[*ochocincos*]

(Yesterday, 02:19 PM)Hammerstripes Wrote: I might be wrong, but I think it's like Week 9 of the season.  It used to be the same date as when you had to sign your tag and report without losing a year of service.

If it goes that long and the deadline passes he will go back into the draft next year.  I can only remember 1 time it happened off the top of my head:

1990 Craig Erickson drafted by the Eagles and then went back into the draft and was drafted by the Bucs.

According to my search, a team who drafts a player retains the signing rights for a period of one year, up until the following year's draft.
If a player hasn't signed by that point, they go back into the draft pool of that new draft year.
They obviously would not have gotten paid nor accrued any service time if they sat out the whole year.

As for how far into the season they can go before accruing service time for that year, I haven't found confirmation of whether it follows the franchise tag rule, but FT requires a player to have signed before the Tuesday after Week 10 to count the rest of the season as a year of service.

[*ochocincos*]

(Yesterday, 02:33 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: We’ve been awful at first rounders contributing early on defense.

Part of that is Marvin+Taylor drafting guys a year early and giving them a year to ride the bench, but that's on them/the organization for going that approach.

Teams only need to look back at the Chiefs in 2022 to see how impactful immediate rookie contributions can be, as evidenced by Karlaftis, McDuffie, Pacheco, and Chenal's contributions that year on their way to win the Super Bowl.
2022 was the first big year of Mahomes's salary kicking in, having a $35.8 mill cap hit at the time, up from just $7.4 mill the year prior.
That was also the year the Chiefs traded Hill to the Dolphins for a boat load of draft picks, which helped them balance the salary cap and try to get a new set of young guys to come in.

Bengals need to find a way to get their young defensive guys to contribute earlier and more often than they have been historically.

[ERIC1]

(Yesterday, 01:41 PM)jj22 Wrote: Thanks for bringing up Jamar and Tee....

Eric you see how their lack of spring effected the start of the season..... 

Chase averaged approximately 8 receptions and 100 yds a game the first 6 games 2024..higgins was suffering from a hamstring injury all season long...look dude if you want to be negative about everything..,God Speed time for golf and Pappy

[ERIC1]

(Yesterday, 02:17 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Let's just put it out there...
Stewart hadn't been overly productive in college.
He needs work to learn how to finish better.

A pressure is fine, but a hit/sack is preferred.
Same with TFLs.

Stewart only had 12 TFLs across 37 college games.
Let's compare that to the other DEs on the roster from when they were in college:
Hendrickson - 42 TFLs across 40 games
Ossai - 31 TFLs across 36 games
Murphy - 37 TFLs across 38 games
Sample - 22 TFLs across 46 games
Cedric Johnson - 23 TFLs across 46 games

Stewart just flat out needs as much coaching as possible to get him to become effective in the NFL.
As long as he continues to hold out, the longer it's delaying that.

Obviously the thing I care about most is Bengals winning and getting back deep into the postseason, but I also want to see Stewart put up some stats to justify his draft selection.
I'm not being overly harsh when I ask for 4+ sacks, 5+ TFLs.
Jared Verse, taken 19th overall last year, had 4.5 sacks and 11 TFLs last year.
Laiatu Latu, taken 15th overall last year, had 4.0 sacks and 5 TFLs.
Chop Robinson, taken 21st overall last year, had 6.0 sacks and 8 TFLs.

Bengals, with all the money they are pouring into Burrow, Chase, and Higgins (and maybe Hendrickson?), need their early-round picks (especially 1st rounders) to contribute more immediately so they don't fall back into middle-of-the-pack and stay there now that they can't go all out for defense in FA like they did when Burrow, Chase, and Higgins were on rookie deals.

This isn't all on Stewart either. Yes, he should want to be out there so he can better hit the ground running come Week 1, but Bengals invested a premium draft pick into him vs addressing another area of value, so it's in their interest too to get as much out of him this year as they can.

Nolen just signed..pick number 16...stewart will sign shortly..he will get plenty of work in the summer..all is good...i promise

[*ochocincos*]

(Yesterday, 03:02 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: Nolen just signed..pick number 16...stewart will sign shortly..he will get plenty of work in the summer..all is good...i promise

He can still get all the work, but if he ends up not producing, Imma still be irritated lol
(Nature of me not liking the pick)

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(Yesterday, 04:34 PM)ochocincos Wrote: He can still get all the work, but if he ends up not producing, Imma still be irritated lol
(Nature of me not liking the pick)

I think a lot of people are going to be surprised that didn't like the Shemar pick. Sure, he might not get tons of sacks as a rookie but I guarantee
he will be an upgrade over what we saw from Sam the last couple of years. The athleticism and ability should just be night and day.

[Joelist]

Some weird rumors floating around that we are not the only or the first team with this new clause in rookie contracts. Some say Philly doing it also and others (including Florio?) that pretty much everyone else has it? I'm trying to scare up something more substantial but it is interesting.

[Soonerpeace]

(Yesterday, 02:43 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Part of that is Marvin+Taylor drafting guys a year early and giving them a year to ride the bench, but that's on them/the organization for going that approach.

Teams only need to look back at the Chiefs in 2022 to see how impactful immediate rookie contributions can be, as evidenced by Karlaftis, McDuffie, Pacheco, and Chenal's contributions that year on their way to win the Super Bowl.
2022 was the first big year of Mahomes's salary kicking in, having a $35.8 mill cap hit at the time, up from just $7.4 mill the year prior.
That was also the year the Chiefs traded Hill to the Dolphins for a boat load of draft picks, which helped them balance the salary cap and try to get a new set of young guys to come in.

Bengals need to find a way to get their young defensive guys to contribute earlier and more often than they have been historically.

That was mostly Lou not Zac. Zac didn’t infringe on Lou until last year much. He was not happy early on. The Bengals are unique in that the coaching staff has a lot of impact in the draft. If you look Hobby, Pollack, and Bettcher. Bettcher and Lou were tight and Golden was going to run that. Pollack? Hobby? We’ve not recruited there well or even hit much in the portal. But Duke said we’ve got to have rookies play now around the draft. Had to be an issue with Lou slow playing some.

[*ochocincos*]

(Yesterday, 04:42 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I think a lot of people are going to be surprised that didn't like the Shemar pick. Sure, he might not get tons of sacks as a rookie but I guarantee
he will be an upgrade over what we saw from Sam the last couple of years. The athleticism and ability should just be night and day.

In 2022 and 2023, Hubbard put up 12.5 sacks (6.5, 6.0).
As a rookie, Hubbard put up 6.0 sacks.
He was taken 77th overall that year.
Last year was really the only year he really disappointed.

My point being - I'm not interested in just being better than 2024 Sam Hubbard.
Hell, 2024 Ossai was better than 2024 Sam Hubbard.
If I wanted better than Hubbard, just roll with Ossai.
But the team invested as premium of a pick as they could into a new shiny DE, so I expect close to 2024 Ossai this year for SS, but expecting (dare I say NEEDING) to be a 8+ sack a year guy by his 2nd year, 3rd year max to justify taking him so early.
I might be being overly harsh, but if you're taking an edge rusher in Rd 1, they gotta return some early dividends to be worth such an early selection.
Otherwise, you could have taken a DE on Day 2 and used the 1st round selection on an OL, LB, DB, or DT.

[*ochocincos*]

(Yesterday, 04:47 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: That was mostly Lou not Zac. Zac didn’t infringe on Lou until last year much. He was not happy early on. The Bengals are unique in that the coaching staff has a lot of impact in the draft. If you look Hobby, Pollack, and Bettcher. Bettcher and Lou were tight and Golden was going to run that. Pollack? Hobby? We’ve not recruited there well or even hit much in the portal. But Duke said we’ve got to have rookies play now around the draft. Had to be an issue with Lou slow playing some.

Either way, it's on Zac now that they've pushed Lou to the side.
If you get more of the same with someone new, it's probably not the person's fault much that you replaced. It's probably more of a problem with the folks who have still stuck around.

[ERIC1]

(Yesterday, 01:49 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: To compare that to what they say about the Bengals is assinine. 

The only thing assinine is for someone to suggest that the cincinnati bengals are the only team in the nfl trashed by national sportswriters

[ERIC1]

(Yesterday, 04:42 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I think a lot of people are going to be surprised that didn't like the Shemar pick. Sure, he might not get tons of sacks as a rookie but I guarantee
he will be an upgrade over what we saw from Sam the last couple of years. The athleticism and ability should just be night and day.

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