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Trey Hendrickson Update
(9 hours ago)ochocincos Wrote: It's my understanding the Bengals do not like to do this, which is why they do not like to give much guaranteed money.
Instead, they try to say, "Well we usually keep people either through entire contract or with just 1 year left on their contract, so all but the last year is BASICALLY guaranteed....Right??"

I agree they don't like to kick the can down the road to create current year cap space, but would add most teams don't do it to minimize dead cap money in future years. Yes, they also do a lot of one year contracts, but they swayed a bit with the Tee contract. It is a longer deal, but is layered with incentives to reduce the guaranteed portion.

It is their way of doing things. They are ultra conservative which I know frustrates all of us at times. But as frusrated as I get, I would not be happy to 50K in dea money as some teams will in 2025 because they is money that can't be spent in the current year limiting your ability to sign FA's or extend tour own players.
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(9 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: I agree they don't like to kick the can down the road to create current year cap space, but would add most teams don't do it to minimize dead cap money in future years. Yes, they also do a lot of one year contracts, but they swayed a bit with the Tee contract. It is a longer deal, but is layered with incentives to reduce the guaranteed portion.

It is their way of doing things. They are ultra conservative which I know frustrates all of us at times. But as frusrated as I get, I would not be happy to 50K in dea money as some teams will in 2025 because they is money that can't be spent in the current year limiting your ability to sign FA's or extend tour own players.

Let's face it:

IF we made the playoffs the past 2 years people wouldn't be happy.

On the limiting your ability to sign FA's or extend players...it feels like we've lost a lot of prominent free agents as is.
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(9 hours ago)THE PISTONS Wrote: Let's face it:

IF we made the playoffs the past 2 years people wouldn't be happy.

On the limiting your ability to sign FA's or extend players...it feels like we've lost a lot of prominent free agents as is.

Who did we lose in 2025? I ask because many nig name free agents will flop, just like draft picks. I think it fair those upset with the FO list the FA's they feel Bengals should have signed. Then we can go back and see if Bengals were right or wrong.

I see oo many fans want t play Monday morning QB and say yep, weshould have signed this or that guy versus a player we
signed or kept.
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(9 hours ago)THE PISTONS Wrote: For us, when is the last time we've had a rookie drafted in the 3rd Round or lower play at a high level Year 1 (that wasn't a punter or kicker).

Depends how you define “high level.” Lawson had 8.5 sacks his rookie season. I’d say that counts.
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For us, when is the last time we've had a rookie drafted in the 3rd Round or lower play at a high level Year 1 (that wasn't a punter or kicker).
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Hubbard
Pratt
Logan
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Outside of the 1st round, the 3rd round has been Zac's best by far since he became the coach.
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(9 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: I agree they don't like to kick the can down the road to create current year cap space, but would add most teams don't do it to minimize dead cap money in future years. Yes, they also do a lot of one year contracts, but they swayed a bit with the Tee contract. It is a longer deal, but is layered with incentives to reduce the guaranteed portion.

It is their way of doing things. They are ultra conservative which I know frustrates all of us at times. But as frusrated as I get, I would not be happy to 50K in dea money as some teams will in 2025 because they is money that can't be spent in the current year limiting your ability to sign FA's or extend tour own players.

I may be in the minority, but I actually don't care if there would be a lot of dead money and having a couple bad years if it meant I got to see Bengals get to (and especially win) a Super Bowl this year or next.
I realize it's easy to say that when I'm not the one that will end up having potential financial impact though.
Zac Taylor 2019-2020: 6 total wins
Zac Taylor 2021-2022: Double-digit wins each season, plus 5 postseason wins
Zac Taylor 2023: 9 wins despite losing Burrow half the season
Zac Taylor 2024: Started 1-4. Ended 9-8 but barely missed playoffs

Changes needed to do better in Sept/Oct moving forward.

Sorry for Party Rocking!

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(8 hours ago)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: [quote pid='1619677' dateline='1755709034']



For us, when is the last time we've had a rookie drafted in the 3rd Round or lower play at a high level Year 1 (that wasn't a punter or kicker).

Hubbard
Pratt
Logan
Battle


Outside of the 1st round, the 3rd round has been Zac's best by far since he became the coach.
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Now do the 2nd round  Tongue
Zac Taylor 2019-2020: 6 total wins
Zac Taylor 2021-2022: Double-digit wins each season, plus 5 postseason wins
Zac Taylor 2023: 9 wins despite losing Burrow half the season
Zac Taylor 2024: Started 1-4. Ended 9-8 but barely missed playoffs

Changes needed to do better in Sept/Oct moving forward.

Sorry for Party Rocking!

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(9 hours ago)THE PISTONS Wrote: I think Burrow and Chase are basically what keeps this franchise afloat.
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Come on people! Fix your shit!! This isnt' kindegarden. Mellow



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(8 hours ago)rfaulk34 Wrote: Come on people! Fix your shit!! This isnt' kindegarden. Mellow

Fix your spelling first!  Tongue
Zac Taylor 2019-2020: 6 total wins
Zac Taylor 2021-2022: Double-digit wins each season, plus 5 postseason wins
Zac Taylor 2023: 9 wins despite losing Burrow half the season
Zac Taylor 2024: Started 1-4. Ended 9-8 but barely missed playoffs

Changes needed to do better in Sept/Oct moving forward.

Sorry for Party Rocking!

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(8 hours ago)ochocincos Wrote: Fix your spelling first!  Tongue

Say it out loud one time and you'll purposely never say it right again. Big Grin



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(10 hours ago)ochocincos Wrote: ESPN also on the MNF broadcast mentioned Bengals have 39% of their cap going toward the QB and top two receiving weapons, which is highest in the league.

Wonder what it would be if Chase and Higgins were signed as soon as they wanted a new deal. 
Like a teenage girl driving a Ferrari. 
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(8 hours ago)Destro Wrote: Wonder what it would be if Chase and Higgins were signed as soon as they wanted a new deal. 

They could have saved with Chase with Tee they got fair market value. His injury history previous 2 seasons limited his ceiling as far as a big contract referring to Tee
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(Today, 10:12 AM)J24 Wrote: Who are you going to draft or sign that will give similar production to Trey Hendrickson next season?

Since I have no idea who is coming out in the draft next year, who knows. But, there is always the next best thing coming along. When Trey got here, everyone pretty much crapped on him and said he was a product of the line he was on in NO. He shined here. But he's getting old, and they will have to replace him. It's just that some people can't get over the basic fact age will catch up to him. In three years, do we want to be giving guaranteed money to someone who is basically like Hubbard last year? Bill Belacheat made a living knowing when to get rid of an aging player who was still playing well.
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(11 hours ago)Brownshoe Wrote: No, people complain because we have a bottom 5 defense. I would like at least a mediocre defense. When was the last time a team won a SB with a bad defense?

So do you go from a disastrous defense by paying one guy all the money at one position, or spread that money around to upgrade say 3 or 4 positions?
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(11 hours ago)rfaulk34 Wrote: The money that they need to pay Trey Hendrickson is money they already have and CAN pay. They just don't want to. 

The players who are going to play all the other positions are all the guys they drafted the last few years, just for that purpose. 

They decided to pour beaucoup bucks into the offense. That's well and good. They still have money to pay Trey and field a full defense. If you're going to pay the offense that much, you have to crush the draft with defensive players. The problem becomes, those drafted players not developing because they did not draft well (if that is how it plays out).

Philly did the same thing. Pay for a top QB. Pay for 2 WRs. Pay for an elite RB. Yet they smashed the shit out of the draft on the defensive side and won a ring. 

No, they are fine with the money, the money has already been agreed to. They just don't want to be locked into guaranteed money if and when his performance drops. It's not like he's a 2nd contract player, he's a 4th contract player on the backend of his career. Sure, he was great last year and maybe will be great this year. Do you really want to bet he'll be great 3 years from now? Did you ever stop to ask yourself why Trey is so desperate to have that third year guarantee???
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(Today, 10:14 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: If they could draft worth a damn it wouldn’t matter. Philly put all their money on the offensive side of the ball (QB, 2 WR’s, RB, & OL). The difference is they nail their draft picks. Jihaad Campbell is already having a great preseason. They just keep getting it right.

But they can't on the defensive side of the football, so that's moot.
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Bottom line, since the money Trey wanted is agreed on, come game 1, he will be on the field ready to play, guarantees in place or not. The checks he would be missing out on with his new contract money would be enormous. He's going to blink first.
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(6 hours ago)Sled21 Wrote: Bottom line, since the money Trey wanted is agreed on, come game 1, he will be on the field ready to play, guarantees in place or not. The checks he would be missing out on with his new contract money would be enormous. He's going to blink first.

You would think Trey would just sign the extension instead of playing on what he currently will be getting, cause yeah, he will lose time 
and a ton of money if he sits out and could be the end of his career.
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(6 hours ago)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: You would think Trey would just sign the extension instead of playing on what he currently will be getting, cause yeah, he will lose time 
and a ton of money if he sits out and could be the end of his career.

If they offer him 34 million to play this year, he's going to play. He'd be totally ignorant not to.
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