Israel/Hamas War Superthread

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(05-04-2024, 02:31 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Raping women and murdering children makes you an objective piece of shit.  You confusion here is rather telling.  As for whose side I am on, it's possible to be on none and still recognize garbage people.
Maybe?  Means of resistance is rather important.  Thinking otherwise opens the door to all sorts of man-made horrors.  Which you are clearly comfortable with.

If you are not confused, then I'm hoping for a clear answer to this:
would you say that in the Turner case, you recognize he is "gargbage" without taking a side, e.g, against slavery? 
Would saying his violence was a consequence of his slavery be "excusing" or "mitigating" it? 

Why am I "comfortable" with all sorts of man-mad horrors, when you are the one denying IHL and defending ethnic cleansing?

(05-04-2024, 02:31 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I'm not stuck on it, but it is rather germane.  Hamas has been murdering and raping thousands well outside that date though, you are correct.

Do you "feel" this or do you have any evidence for this claim. Or perhaps you can explain why you don't need it? 

(05-04-2024, 02:31 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Your statements are clear enough. They present your feelings as evidence and dodge accountability.
That's the issue. And you "trust" the US gov. just fine when they tell you what you want to hear.
That is finally your standard. It is emotional, not evidence-based reasoning.

Confession through projection.  You trust terrorists, hence "13k dead!"  I don't.  I don't trust the Biden state department, but I do trust them more than Islamic murderer rapists.  You don't, which is your choice.  It's emotion, not evidence-based reasoning, but it is your right. Sorry, you don't get to relive your formative years, the current crop of activists is as morally bankrupt as you are now.  Your glory days are gone, never to be replicated.  I'd feel sorry for you if I cared at all.

Once again I must explain that I don't trust sources, I vet them. 

Is 13,000 dead children consistent with the six months of bombing in the most densely packed area on earth? No reason to doubt that at the moment. 
International observers, reporters, and professional doctors gathered into those hospitals where the dead are recorded think there is an undercount, since bodies must be brought to hospitals where their deaths are recorded and matched to census lists, but many dead are still under the rubble.  

Further, the "terrorist organization" also has a track record of accurate counting in previous wars, e.g., 
In an analysis of health ministry death figures from the Israel-Gaza conflict in 2014, in which Gaza was bombed, and a separate record of death figures from that same year collated by Israeli human rights organisation B'Tselem, Prof Spagat found overall consistency in the reported figures.
The ministry of health said 2,310 Gazans had been killed in 2014, while B'Tselem counted 2,185 deaths. The UN said 2,251 Palestinians were killed, including 1,462 civilians and Israel's foreign ministry said the 2014 war killed 2,125 Palestinians.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67347201

I'm not a medical professional, but those who are do a more exact vetting to reach the same conclusion--the figures are reliable as can be under the circumstances. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(23)02713-7/fulltext

I also make sure to consider arguments of the pro-Israel players like the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. They claim fighter deaths are under reported, skewing casualties to include more civilians, but the don't/can't dispute that civilians are dying in the thousands as reported. https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/media/7168?disposition=inline . 

But "trust" guides you through sources--The IDF ranks first; then Biden, the US, the State Department, the UN, and finally a "terrorist organization."  The latter you categorically deny any trust. You are happy to trust the statement's definitions of terrorism and assessment of war crimes when it suits you, without further inquiry or pause over inconsistencies.  When you say I "trust terrorists," as if I assess these matters the same way you do, just trusting different sources I want when I want,  then that's the only "projection through confession" here.