Israel/Hamas War Superthread

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(05-03-2024, 06:38 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: But I'd still say Turner and his slaves were the oppressed. Do you think they were not? 
Am I "mitigating" and "apologizing" for Turner's crimes by saying slavery was wrong?

They sure were.  It doesn't change the fact that Turner was a piece of shit and what he did is indefensible.  But Turner wasn't the elected government of a group of people either.  The first in a string of poor analogies for you.

Well he sort of was an elected leader of a group.  "Turner was a piece of shit" is a value judgment, not a "fact." 
 Being enslaved is no defense for killing the masters family. Hard to tell whom you side with in this "poor analogy." 

(05-03-2024, 06:38 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Quote:If MLK had engaged in gang rape, mass murder, and kidnapping and killing infants, segregation would still be wrong, right?
And Blacks living under it would still have been oppressed, right?

Segregation would still be wrong, and if MLK handled his business like your buddies it would likely still exist.

Possibly. But the question for you is, would students be wrong to protest segregation anyway?
Would they be wrong about whether the weaker group were oppressed? 

(05-03-2024, 06:38 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I'm not stuck on 10/07, Hamas has been garbage pieces of shit far longer than that.

Just as segregation would still be wrong and blacks oppressed by it if MLK did rape and mass murder, so is the occupation and indiscriminate warfare,
despite what Hamas did.

Except they're not the same, or even comparable.

You are stuck on 10/7. You repeatedly come back to it to condemn protests, 
and deflect the comparison any international lawyer would require to assess the legality of 
the occupation. It's all you got. 13k children dead? But Hamas rape! 

(05-03-2024, 06:38 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: My statements are clear to anyone interested in actually reading them.
No, you just excuse and mitigate them
As little as I trust our own government I trust the UN far less.  I don't care what they find or conclude.  
Like I said, it's hard to feel bad for the bully when they get punched in the mouth.
Indeed.   

Your statements are clear enough. They present your feelings as evidence and dodge accountability.
That's the issue. And you "trust" the US gov. just fine when they tell you what you want to hear.
That is finally your standard. It is emotional, not evidence-based reasoning.