05-03-2024, 02:05 AM
(05-03-2024, 01:12 AM)Dill Wrote: Below you appear to grant the students were right about civil rights and Apartheid.
So in those cases, students figured out the more powerful group really was oppressing a less powerful group?
Sure. Does that mean all such instances play out the same way? If that was your conclusion that you clearly failed logic. Which would explain a lot.
Quote:If "paying attention" led you to conclude students just assume, without justification, that the
more powerful group is the oppressor only because it is more powerful, then there must have been
some times where you saw them protesting more powerful groups that weren't oppressors.
Yes, Israel and Hamas being the most recent example.
Quote:Vietnam maybe?
Was North Vietnam less powerful than the South? Who invaded who again?
Quote:I once knew an ARVN general who had been tiger-caged under Diem and then sent to a "reeducation camp" after the NV victory.
Seriously, I couldn't tell which he thought was worse. The reeducation was longer, but not life threatening.
Fascinating. My father, a two and half year year Vietnam vet was good friends with a ARVN helicopter pilot who wouldn't piss in the face of a Vietnamese communist if their eyebrows were on fire. You protested a war my father lived. Anecdotal evidence being what it is, I'm giving the edge to him.
Quote:So who were the "oppressors" in that war? Apparently the vast majority of Vietnamese thought the US and the gov. of South Vietnam were.
Most of the 2 million civilians who died would be of that opinion.
Is that so? A source would be nice, preferably one prior to the "reeducation camps". I've lived next to the largest community of Vietnamese diaspora in the world (Westminster, CA) since 1986, I'm willing to bet I've talked to far more of them than you ever have.
Quote:But American anti-communists would have been happy to sacrifice millions more to prevent their "oppression" by the Communists
they would have elected to rule them if the US had allowed them to make their own choices in the first place.
Seeing as communism is the most murderess form of government ever devised by man that's a rather safe assumption. Are you a communist btw?
Quote:Call that one a tie. 2-0-1 in favor of the students. But no evidence THEY are the ones who misread Oppressor/Oppressed relations.
Cool, again no predictor of future results. Massively faulty logic on your part. Again.
Quote:And yes I keep lumping the Palestinian dispossession in with the Civil Rights movement, because it is about how the Israeli state deprives 5 million
Palestinians of basic human rights. But see that point you must first agree that Palestinians have basic human rights.
I don't recall MLK and his followers engaging in gang rape, mass murder and kidnapping and killing infants. Did I miss that?
Quote:Speaking for everyone again. How do you know "no one here, or pretty much anywhere, is buying it"?
So why are there protests all over the world? Why has SA brought a genocide charge against Israel to the ICJ?
Because western liberal guilt is a pervasive and sadly inane ideology. How do I know it's failing though? I'm paying attention.
Quote:I notice you didn't comment on the 13,000 children who have died in Gaza.
What 13k? The ones reported by the terrorist organization?
Quote:I was referring to the ethnic cleansing during the original dispossession.
Quote:I'm not sure the Haganah or the IDF kidnapped people. Their goal was to get rid of them. But Stern and Irgun did kidnap people, and happily broadcast murder and rape; they even inflated the numbers to increase panic. At least 30 infants were murdered at Deir Yassin alone. But I have explained this to you before. You didn't "miss" that. But down the memory hole, eh?
Now the UN is investigating credible reports of IDF sexual assaults against detained Palestinians, including many forms of torture and humiliation. Let's give them time to investigate their "anecdotes."
Cool. In the interim let's focus on your ignoring the actually broadcast gang rapes by Hamas. No need to wait on the UN for proof of those.
