Israel/Hamas War Superthread

[Dill]

(03-20-2024, 06:25 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Quote:2. To repeat: I'll state "unequivocally" that Hamas meets the U.S./EU definition of a terrorist organization. But because the U.S. doesn't apply the label consistently to all who merit it, I regard its application as generally political rather than descriptive. The job of propagandists is to get people to accept and apply such labels without thinking; I won't go along. That means nothing has changed in the last four days; I still don't use the term "terrorist" as a descriptor. 

Copy that.  So Al Qaeda is not a terrorist organization, nor are any of the 9/11 hijackers terrorists in your eyes.  Again, noted.

Yeah, that's what "I don't use the term 'terrorist' as a descriptor" means. 

Because in debates like this propagandists use it to avoid analysis, to lever their opponents into a "side," independent of whatever position they are actually advancing. 

That's what all your "noting" is about--checking resources for future deflection and misdirection. Not for direct, historically and legally grounded engagement. 

(03-20-2024, 06:25 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Quote:3. Not sure how you are defining "atrocities." Bad stuff Arabs do? If you mean war crimes and violations of IHL, then I'd say the record shows the IDF does so with greater frequency, with much greater destruction and loss of life. But when I've mentioned their sordid record in the past you've simply denied/ignored the facts or introduced a time limit. Do you mean just since last year or what? 

You could stick to the actual dictionary definition of the word atrocity, or continue with your hyperbole.  So, you do think the IDF is a worse actor than Hamas.  Thank you, and again, noted.

You asked for a quantitative answer. The issue is not what I "think" but what the evidence shows. 

Even Wikipedia has pages devoted to IDF war crimes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_crimes
And ongoing human rights violations against Palestinian civilians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_violations_against_Palestinians_by_Israel

But "anecdotal" when the IDF does it, right? That's why you are so keen on NOT acknowledging this history,  
claiming it's the other guy who's mind is "firmly made up."

Apparently you are not interested in really answering your own question of quantity or frequency by considering the IDF's history. 
So much for sticking to actual dictionary definitions.

It is, as I said, your operating rule is that Israeli war crimes NOT be acknowledged. That you find acknowledgment "repugnant" is all you are willing to "note."