Reminder 2024 Pass Blocking

[Luvnit2]

Those who are better skilled can maybe post these numbers, but let's not forget how bad our OL was in 2024 protecting the QB.

https://premium.pff.com/nfl/teams/2024/REG/cincinnati-bengals/offense-pass-blocking

Karras - 78.0
Brown - 69.5
Mims - 60.8
Volson - 48.8
Cappa - 39.7

Ford - 50.2
Trent Brown - 64.2
Cochran - 48.8

Our guards beyond sucked and Joe broke records. Our tackles were average.

Only Karras was solid.

My point is it appears Fairchild will be a huge upgrade over Volson and honestly, anyone should be an upgrade over Cappa. Hopefully Brown stays healthy and Mims improves and our OL may not be as bad a some keep saying.

[*jason*]

What are we? 5 years into the Burrow era and it's still "hopefully" and "should" when it comes to the O line. This is the third O line coach under Zac Taylor. They have to show me before I expect anything different than what we've been getting for the past decade now.

[puddycat]

As bad as that was, they were worse in run blocking with Volson in the 60s, Brown, Karras, and Mims in the 50s, and Brown in the 40s.

[THE PISTONS]

(7 hours ago)jason Wrote: What are we? 5 years into the Burrow era and it's still "hopefully" and "should" when it comes to the O line. This is the third O line coach under Zac Taylor. They have to show me before I expect anything different than what we've been getting for the past decade now.

Theyre certainly not going to make big, splash moves to solve an issue. They'll sign a fringe starter or career backup and throw a 3rd or 4th Round pick at it.

The elite teams definitely go more all in yearly.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(7 hours ago)jason Wrote: What are we? 5 years into the Burrow era and it's still "hopefully" and "should" when it comes to the O line. This is the third O line coach under Zac Taylor. They have to show me before I expect anything different than what we've been getting for the past decade now.

Yep. They’ve been trying to fix the OL for a literal decade. The Ogbuehi and Fisher draft was 10 years ago at this point. You’d think they would have stumbled their way into a good lineman or two in that timeframe.

But hey, Lucas Patrick and Cody Ford, amirite?!

[Nepa]

Those pass-blocking numbers are so painful to read.

We ask so much out of Burrow. Even when they went to the Super Bowl the Bengals tied a record for most sacks in a playoff game (and would have set the record save that one sack was wiped out by a penalty).

The OL is poor now. And if there's a injury to one or more of the OL? For the love of God, please solve this. I cringe every time that Burrow is sacked, given his two major injuries. I don't want to be rooting for him to get a third comeback player of the year award.

[*bfine32*]

(7 hours ago)jason Wrote: What are we? 5 years into the Burrow era and it's still "hopefully" and "should" when it comes to the O line. This is the third O line coach under Zac Taylor. They have to show me before I expect anything different than what we've been getting for the past decade now.

Should we stop trying to fix it? 

[NUGDUKWE]

(6 hours ago)THE PISTONS Wrote: Theyre certainly not going to make big, splash moves to solve an issue. They'll sign a fringe starter or career backup and throw a 3rd or 4th Round pick at it.

The elite teams definitely go more all in yearly.

Risner is only projected as a 2yr 6mil dollar deal. He's poor as a run blocker but grades in the 70s as a pass protector. For that kind of money hes worth a pickup in my opinion. He valuable depth and could save our season if he fixes a weak link on the oline.

[Luvnit2]

(6 hours ago)Nepa Wrote: Those pass-blocking numbers are so painful to read.

We ask so much out of Burrow. Even when they went to the Super Bowl the Bengals tied a record for most sacks in a playoff game (and would have set the record save that one sack was wiped out by a penalty).

The OL is poor now. And if there's a injury to one or more of the OL? For the love of God, please solve this. I cringe every time that Burrow is sacked, given his two major injuries. I don't want to be rooting for him to get a third comeback player of the year award.

Do you think our projected starters
Brown Fairchild Karras Patrick Mims is worse than our 2024 line?

I am trying to give fans a little hope, yes I know we still have issues, but who will say the 2025 OL is worse than the 2024 OL?

I think Mims gets better and Fairchild is much better than the 50 Volson and Ford gave us. I think Patrick or Ford at RG is an upgrade (slight) from te 37 Cappa gave us.

If we do hold, who says the 2025 projected starting OL is as bad or worse than the 2024 OL and why? Give us your projected PFF pass protect scores for each starter.

[NUGDUKWE]

(7 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: Those who are better skilled can maybe post these numbers, but let's not forget how bad our OL was in 2024 protecting the QB.

https://premium.pff.com/nfl/teams/2024/REG/cincinnati-bengals/offense-pass-blocking

Karras - 78.0
Brown - 69.5
Mims - 60.8
Volson - 48.8
Cappa - 39.7

Ford - 50.2
Trent Brown - 64.2
Cochran - 48.8

Our guards beyond sucked and Joe broke records. Our tackles were average.

Only Karras was solid.

My point is it appears Fairchild will be a huge upgrade over Volson and honestly, anyone should be an upgrade over Cappa. Hopefully Brown stays healthy and Mims improves and our OL may not be as bad a some keep saying.

Joe broke records but the offense also failed to win in alot of the tough moments. Not all due to the oline but they were a big part of that. 

Fairchild looks good and I hope he turns out to be really good. But rookie guards dont usually grade out very well there first year.

[Luvnit2]

(5 hours ago)NUGDUKWE Wrote: Risner is only projected as a 2yr 6mil dollar deal. He's poor as a run blocker but grades in the 70s as a pass protector. For that kind of money hes worth a pickup in my opinion. He valuable depth and could save our season if he fixes a weak link on the oline.

I am shocked and alarmed no team has signed him as many have issues at 1 OG position as bad or worse than us.

[Luvnit2]

(5 hours ago)NUGDUKWE Wrote: Joe broke records but the offense also failed to win in alot of the tough moments. Not all due to the oline but they were a big part of that. 

Fairchild looks good and I hope he turns out to be really good. But rookie guards dont usually grade out very well there first year.

Will he better than the 50 Volson and Ford gave us? I say yes, he is closer to 60 minimum in pass protection.

[NUGDUKWE]

(5 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: Do you think our projected starters
Brown Fairchild Karras Patrick Mims is worse than our 2024 line?

I am trying to give fans a little hope, yes I know we still have issues, but who will say the 2025 OL is worse than the 2024 OL?

I think Mims gets better and Fairchild is much better than the 50 Volson and Ford gave us. I think Patrick or Ford at RG is an upgrade (slight) from te 37 Cappa gave us.

If we do hold, who says the 2025 projected starting OL is as bad or worse than the 2024 OL and why? Give us your projected PFF pass protect scores for each starter.

I don't know that we can say its better. Fairchild is a rookie and hes bound to have his low points. Patrick from what little we've seen doesnt look better to me. Ford has not looked good in camp this year. Had we added a starting caliber RG i probably agree we are better which we still might do.

[THE PISTONS]

(5 hours ago)NUGDUKWE Wrote: Risner is only projected as a 2yr 6mil dollar deal. He's poor as a run blocker but grades in the 70s as a pass protector. For that kind of money hes worth a pickup in my opinion. He valuable depth and could save our season if he fixes a weak link on the oline.

So why haven't they signed him? They actually signed Patrick over him.

Look...Id address offensive line if I ran the team. I just think they feel good about what they have.

[NUGDUKWE]

(5 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: I am shocked and alarmed no team has signed him as many have issues at 1 OG position as bad or worse than us.

Im not sure why hes not signed but at this point for the price I dont care. Are teams as bad off as us? We do rank near the bottom on projected OL play. Im just trying to think there was alot of FA movement with Guards and it seemed to be a fairly deep draft class. 

[Luvnit2]

(5 hours ago)NUGDUKWE Wrote: I don't know that we can say its better. Fairchild is a rookie and hes bound to have his low points. Patrick from what little we've seen doesnt look better to me. Ford has not looked good in camp this year. Had we added a starting caliber RG i probably agree we are better which we still might do.

Cappa was a 37. That is major suck territory. Ford was 50 so if Patrick does not cut it, use Ford at RG and still better than Cappa's 37.

[NUGDUKWE]

(5 hours ago)THE PISTONS Wrote: So why haven't they signed him? They actually signed Patrick over him.

Look...Id address offensive line if I ran the team. I just think they feel good about what they have.

He has looked terrible there is absolutely no way they can feel good about what they have. He's the 30th highest paid RG so im sure they feel good about that. But paying the bottom price, you're going to get bottom play. 

[Luvnit2]

(5 hours ago)NUGDUKWE Wrote: Im not sure why hes not signed but at this point for the price I dont care. Are teams as bad off as us? We do rank near the bottom on projected OL play. Im just trying to think there was alot of FA movement with Guards and it seemed to be a fairly deep draft class. 

No, it was a deep tackle class with true stud Campbell very good Banks and a 3rd risky due to injury Simmons. Guard was not deep at all in 2025 and 1 true possible syud Booker who was not picked as elite by a lot of experts.

[THE PISTONS]

(5 hours ago)NUGDUKWE Wrote: He has looked terrible there is absolutely no way they can feel good about what they have. He's the 30th highest paid RG so im sure they feel good about that. But paying the bottom price, you're going to get bottom play. 

When Patrick was signed some of us tried to say that this was a bad move. As a 3rd Guard...its a good move.

Thinking Ford is a quality starter is bad too.

Thinking Nick Scott or Stone could replace Jessie Bates was a bad move.

The DT we signed from GB...has no pass rush skills.

The backup LB from the Eagles that's in his early 30s...won't be a quality starter.

I could go on and on...

[NUGDUKWE]

(5 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: Cappa was a 37. That is major suck territory. Ford was 50 so if Patrick does not cut it, use Ford at RG and still better than Cappa's 37.

Except Ford was looking bad at RG. I assume thats why they handed right back to Patrick when he came back. The wait and see approach should not be the plan if you want to win championships. Tomorrow night is gonna be a good test. If he holds his own and looks improved okay but if he whiffs on some blocks in the 2 series they play thats alarming and should be addressed.