Is change coming, finally, to our TC and Preseason plan?

[*bengalfan74*]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/bengals-leader-s-quote-about-zac-taylor-s-changes-feels-like-good-sign/ar-AA1HoqXx?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=ASTS&cvid=3436e81c743742e4b930a4cf7a308180&ei=12

"So has the possibility of starters getting snaps in one preseason game or even more."

I believe it's a giant key to how our season plays out. We simply can't start out 1-3 and expect to be in the big dance.

[*ochocincos*]

(6 hours ago)bengalfan74 Wrote: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/bengals-leader-s-quote-about-zac-taylor-s-changes-feels-like-good-sign/ar-AA1HoqXx?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=ASTS&cvid=3436e81c743742e4b930a4cf7a308180&ei=12

"So has the possibility of starters getting snaps in one preseason game or even more."

I believe it's a giant key to how our season plays out. We simply can't start out 1-3 and expect to be in the big dance.

I miss the days of starters getting about this level of Preseason reps:
- Game 1: 1-2 drives
- Game 2: 1 quarter
- Game 3: 1 half

I feel like that could be highly beneficial for the starters.
I can't really remember though, outside of a broken nose to Carson Palmer back in 2008 (in which didn't even cause him to miss Week 1), what are some of the big injuries that happened to Bengals starters in Preseason?

[Nepa]

Just do what Andy Reid does for the preseason games: the KC Chiefs are competing for it all at the end of most every season.

The Chiefs starters always see some significant time during preseason games so they can get up to the speed of the NFL for the start of the season. Yes, there's risk of injury. But I think the Bengals sitting of the starters almost the entire preseason schedule has been tried and failed spectacularly, costing them the postseason the last two years.

[WeezyBengal]

They are overthinking this entire thing.

The main reason the Bengals have struggled early in the season is because Burrow has been injured, rusty, or coming back from injury.

One of ZTs biggest strengths is how he conserves guys so that they play their best ball later in the year.

Don't change a thing. Burrow is finally healthy and ready to go. That alone should make them better to start the year.

[*rfaulk34*]

(6 hours ago)ochocincos Wrote: I miss the days of starters getting about this level of Preseason reps:
- Game 1: 1-2 drives
- Game 2: 1 quarter
- Game 3: 1 half

I feel like that could be highly beneficial for the starters.
I can't really remember though, outside of a broken nose to Carson Palmer back in 2008 (in which didn't even cause him to miss Week 1), what are some of the big injuries that happened to Bengals starters in Preseason?

Ki Jana Carter, ACL, '95 Detroit - but that field was notorious. 
Kenny Irons, ACL, '07 Detroit...of course.
Wharton, (minor injuries i think?) to Maualuga and Dunlap, '12. 

It happens and it could happen at any time, so i don't see the big deal in playing preseason snaps. 

[*bengalfan74*]

(6 hours ago)ochocincos Wrote: I miss the days of starters getting about this level of Preseason reps:
- Game 1: 1-2 drives
- Game 2: 1 quarter
- Game 3: 1 half

I feel like that could be highly beneficial for the starters.
I can't really remember though, outside of a broken nose to Carson Palmer back in 2008 (in which didn't even cause him to miss Week 1), what are some of the big injuries that happened to Bengals starters in Preseason?

Ki-jana Carter Rb basically had his career ending injury in his first preseason game for us back in 95 or so.

But I feel the risk is worth the reward. We've got to change these super slow starts over and be prepared. 

[Nicomo Cosca]

(6 hours ago)WeezyBengal Wrote: They are overthinking this entire thing.

The main reason the Bengals have struggled early in the season is because Burrow has been injured, rusty, or coming back from injury.

One of ZTs biggest strengths is how he conserves guys so that they play their best ball later in the year.

Don't change a thing. Burrow is finally healthy and ready to go. That alone should make them better to start the year.

The defense had 14 missed tackles against NE in week 1 last season, not to mention fumbles on offense and special teams. The slow starts have always been more than just Burrow.

With both a new DC and OL coach these guys need all the reps they can get.

[*bengalfan74*]

(6 hours ago)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: The defense had 14 missed tackles against NE in week 1 last season, not to mention fumbles on offense and special teams. The slow starts have always been more than just Burrow.

With both a new DC and OL coach these guys need all the reps they can get.

The defense regularly got smoked early on in the season. Like you say it's not just Joe!!

[jj22]

Burrow admitted his struggles to start the season comes from a slowed down release clock in his head that causes timing issues in the offense. He believes that preseason live action with the threat of being hit will help speed his internal clock up and be ready for the season.

I'd just like to point out that Zac's prior preseason plan isn't bad at all. Take the Steelers for example. They play a lot of their starters in the preseason and come out firing on all cylinders to start the season. But by November they have nothing left in the tank and look like it. No energy, no physicality... It's led to them ending the season on long losing streaks.

So there is a happy medium. All the great teams (NE, KC) lose their games (if they lose) in September before going on 10 game winning streaks. Teams knew if you wanted to catch them sleeping your bests shot was at the start of the season. We can't start 0-3, or 1-3, but great teams have suffered losses (some bad) to start the season if it means ending the season strong.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(6 hours ago)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: The defense had 14 missed tackles against NE in week 1 last season, not to mention fumbles on offense and special teams. The slow starts have always been more than just Burrow.

With both a new DC and OL coach these guys need all the reps they can get.

For sure it is not just Joe being injured to start every season although that is some of it. The Defense needs to be ready to go and be ready to 
tackle. Have to do this in the Preseason and it gets the Defenses ahead of the Offenses early in the season. It is a gamble playing your starters 
and some of them getting hurt, but it is also a gamble not being ready and digging yourself a hole like we do every year.

I like how we play late in the season, but we need to start off much better and everybody knows it.

(5 hours ago)jj22 Wrote: Burrow admitted his struggles to start the season comes from a slowed down release clock in his head that causes timing issues in the offense. He believes that preseason live action with the threat of being hit will help speed his internal clock up and be ready for the season.

I'd just like to point out that Zac's prior preseason plan isn't bad at all. Take the Steelers for example. They play a lot of their starters in the preseason and come out firing on all cylinders to start the season. But by November they have nothing left in the tank and look like it. No energy, no physicality... It's led to them ending the season on long losing streaks.

So there is a happy medium. All the great teams (NE, KC) lose their games (if they lose) in September before going on 10 game winning streaks. Teams knew if you wanted to catch them sleeping your bests shot was at the start of the season. We can't start 0-3, or 1-3, but great teams have suffered losses (some bad) to start the season if it means ending the season strong.

Nice post JJ22. True, it needs to be a happy medium. We still need to be playing at the top of our game by the end of the season unlike the 
stealers and others who are all worn out. But we also need to be at least .500 in the first 4 games as well.

[*pally*]

They are making several canges in addition to playing starters in the preseason. Practice times have been moved to the morning with meetings and walk-throughs in the afternoon. They believe that will help the players be 100% focused on the task at hand including fueling properly for practice beforehand

[WeezyBengal]

(6 hours ago)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: The defense had 14 missed tackles against NE in week 1 last season, not to mention fumbles on offense and special teams. The slow starts have always been more than just Burrow.

With both a new DC and OL coach these guys need all the reps they can get.

At the expense of what? 

Burrow was working himself back in the beginning of the year last year and in the Pats game our offense suffered. We scored 10 points and Burrow had 160 yards passing. To sit here and blame the defense who only gave up 16 points is wild. 

It starts and ends with Burrow. He's had an issue EVERY year to start the year. Calf, apendectomy, wrist, etc. It's taken him time to get up to speed from those injuries.