One or two moves....

[samhain]

(Yesterday, 03:24 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: You can’t ever accuse Baltimore of not going all in after they paid Lamar. The Bengals otoh expect Burrow and 2 WR’s to carry the entire team. Night and day difference in the way our FO’s operate.

Yeah, and Lamar is already hinting at wanting a raise.  Even so, they continue to try to improve their personnel.  

[Joelist]

Here we go again...

Before freaking over the Rats signing Jaire Alexander remember why he was available - he has had major injury issues and was stalled in contract negotiations. Green Bay took a 17 million dollar cap hit when they cut him.

As to the veteran Guards out there, it is not even clear if Scherf is retiring. That leaves Risner. Lucas Patrick has played starter at an average to slightly above average level and his two worst seasons (Chicago 2022 / 2023) were with having to block for Justin Fields with his zero pocket awareness and lack of pocket presence (as the Steelers learned last season). Fairchild was one of the Guard prospects holding a plug and play label (the last one I believe). Also add in the new OL coach whose strength is coaching players up.

Then you have defense. Once Trey and Stewart sign (they will) the DL will be ready. Slaton was a huge pickup both literally and figuratively. Our lack of a true NT last season caused issues and Slaton is also already asserting leadership on the line. Knight is doing the same at LB and remember we also signed Oren Burks and drafted Barrett Carter too. They retooled the LB room and remember the defensive picks were based on input from Golden who is installing his defense - note that the players brought in all have in common being good tacklers.

Nothing in life or football is guaranteed. but overall the moves this offseason make sense especially in light of the coaching changeovers and who was out there in the first place.

[Nicomo Cosca]

Yeah, yeah. Just like Henry was washed last year when they signed him.

Point is they continually make big moves and swing for the fences.

[*bfine32*]

No doubt we should be as awesome as the Ravens; They've won 3 playoff games since 2012. (Steelrsx2, Ten)

[TecmoBengals]

(5 hours ago)bfine32 Wrote: No doubt we should be as awesome as the Ravens; They've won 3 playoff games since 2012. (Steelrsx2, Ten)

They've won 8 playoff games since 2012 including a Super Bowl. The last 3 wins were from 2020 to now which is only 2 less wins than the Bengals.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(5 hours ago)bfine32 Wrote: No doubt we should be as awesome as the Ravens; They've won 3 playoff games since 2012. (Steelrsx2, Ten)

Mostly because their MVP QB usually turns into postseason Andy Dalton every January (11 turnovers in 8 games).

You’re also missing the Houston win over Stroud.

[*bfine32*]

(4 hours ago)TecmoBengals Wrote: They've won 8 playoff games since 2012 including a Super Bowl. The last 3 wins were from 2020 to now which is only 2 less wins than the Bengals.

Since 2012:

2013- DNQ
2014- Beat Pit/ Lost to NE
2015-DNQ
2016-DNQ
2017-DNQ
2018-Lost to LAC
2019- Lost to Ten
2020- Beat Ten, Lost Bills
2021- DNQ
2022- Lost CIN
2023- Beat Ten HOU, Lost Chiefs
2024- Pit Pit, Lost Lost PIT

So they've won 4 since  2012. I missed the 2nd Titan's HOU win; Yet they've never beat KC, CIN, of BUF during that stretch

[*bfine32*]

(4 hours ago)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Mostly because their MVP QB usually turns into postseason Andy Dalton every January (11 turnovers in 8 games).

You’re also missing the Houston win over Stroud.

I even missed it when I went back to research, I gave them a 2nd to TEN. But hey "only 2 fewer" than the Bengals since Covid.

No arguement about LaMar

[XsandOs]

With $32M in cap space, which basically means $22M because Bengals keep about $10M in reserve, what moves can they make?

If Shemar's $9M bonus prorated over 4 years added to a minimum base salary takes $3M of space, then Bengals are left with $19M.

If the thought was to give Trey $12M and use the remaining $7M on a G, I feel that may be wishful thinking.

Which brings us back to the discussions on this board about how Bengals operate as related to contracts.

If the Bengals do come to an agreement with Trey AND get a starting G, this offseason would have been successful. If we do this AND add Asante Samuels, I would be delighted!

[TecmoBengals]

(4 hours ago)bfine32 Wrote: Since 2012:

2013- DNQ
2014- Beat Pit/ Lost to NE
2015-DNQ
2016-DNQ
2017-DNQ
2018-Lost to LAC
2019- Lost to Ten
2020- Beat Ten, Lost Bills
2021- DNQ
2022- Lost CIN
2023- Beat Ten HOU, Lost Chiefs
2024- Pit Pit, Lost Lost PIT

So they've won 4 since  2012. I missed the 2nd Titan's HOU win; Yet they've never beat KC, CIN, of BUF during that stretch

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rav/playoffs.htm

That is where I'm getting my info. Use of the word since includes the year in reference as the starting point, which is 2012. I suppose that's the basis for how we are counting the win total differently.

2012 playoffs: 4 total wins against the Colts, Broncos, Pats, and 49'ers.
2014 playoffs: 1 total win against the Steelers
2020 playoffs: 1 total win against the Titans
2023 playoffs: 1 total win against the Texans
2024 playoffs: 1 total win against the Steelers

[*bfine32*]

(4 hours ago)TecmoBengals Wrote: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rav/playoffs.htm

That is where I'm getting my info. Use of the word since includes the year in reference as the starting point, which is 2012. I suppose that's the basis for how we are counting the win total differently.

2012 playoffs: 4 total wins against the Colts, Broncos, Pats, and 49'ers.
2014 playoffs: 1 total win against the Steelers
2020 playoffs: 1 total win against the Titans
2023 playoffs: 1 total win against the Texans
2024 playoffs: 1 total win against the Steelers

Yeah, I'd say the Bengals have not won a playoff game since 2022 season, you've got 'em with 2 wins. 

[TecmoBengals]

(3 hours ago)bfine32 Wrote: Yeah, I'd say the Bengals have not won a playoff game since 2022 season, you've got 'em with 2 wins. 

Correct, since 2022 they've won 2 games which is listed here: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cin/playoffs.htm

Since 2023 they've won 0 games which is 2 seasons in a row with no playoff wins (2023 & 2024). It's just a difference in how we're applying grammar/structure rules but I think when using the word since and discussing a year one is meant to include the year? For example, if I said, the US has been bombing Iran since 2025 it would include the year 2025 and not just 2026 and years beyond.

Either way, we're only talking about an arbitrary selection of which season is the starting point to compare Ravens v. Bengals playoff win totals. Maybe a better starting point is with either Zac's first season or Burrow's first year.

Edit: Burrow rules and Lamar doesn't.

[*bfine32*]

(3 hours ago)TecmoBengals Wrote: Correct, since 2022 they've won 2 games which is listed here: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cin/playoffs.htm

Since 2023 they've won 0 games which is 2 seasons in a row with no playoff wins (2023 & 2024). It's just a difference in how we're applying grammar/structure rules but I think when using the word since and discussing a year one is meant to include the year? For example, if I said, the US has been bombing Iran since 2025 it would include the year 2025 and not just 2026 and years beyond.

Either way, we're only talking about an arbitrary selection of which season is the starting point to compare Ravens v. Bengals playoff win totals. Maybe a better starting point is with either Zac's first season or Burrow's first year.

Edit: Burrow rules and Lamar doesn't.

Cool, the Bengals haven't been a playoff team since 2023. I dig it. 

[*rfaulk34*]

(6 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: The Ravens having one of the best FO's in football does not make our FO full of what crap you are personally attacking them with true.

Yes, Ravens have a great FO and so do Eagles, Bills, Chiefs and others.

 I admit our FO is not top 10.

That's a generous thing to say to an ole hater like me. 

They are def bottom 10 though and way closer to the very bottom than the top of the bottom.

[*rfaulk34*]

(6 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: The question is do you get less for being a winner? This answer is no and why your argument makes no sense.

MB has proven he can care less about personal wealth, he has never been one to buy a plane, yacht or drive $500K cars, yet you think he is motivated to lose for what reason?

How do you not understand this? He cares so much about his and his families personal wealth that he doesn't buy these things BECAUSE THEY COST MONEY. 

[*rfaulk34*]

(6 hours ago)Nicomo Cosca Wrote:

When it comes to hoarding money, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Too bad the NFL intelligence didn't rub off too. 

[*rfaulk34*]

(5 hours ago)Joelist Wrote: Here we go again...

Before freaking over the Rats signing Jaire Alexander remember why he was available - he has had major injury issues and was stalled in contract negotiations. Green Bay took a 17 million dollar cap hit when they cut him.

As to the veteran Guards out there, it is not even clear if Scherf is retiring. That leaves Risner. Lucas Patrick has played starter at an average to slightly above average level and his two worst seasons (Chicago 2022 / 2023) were with having to block for Justin Fields with his zero pocket awareness and lack of pocket presence (as the Steelers learned last season). Fairchild was one of the Guard prospects holding a plug and play label (the last one I believe). Also add in the new OL coach whose strength is coaching players up.

Then you have defense. Once Trey and Stewart sign (they will) the DL will be ready. Slaton was a huge pickup both literally and figuratively. Our lack of a true NT last season caused issues and Slaton is also already asserting leadership on the line. Knight is doing the same at LB and remember we also signed Oren Burks and drafted Barrett Carter too. They retooled the LB room and remember the defensive picks were based on input from Golden who is installing his defense - note that the players brought in all have in common being good tacklers.

Nothing in life or football is guaranteed. but overall the moves this offseason make sense especially in light of the coaching changeovers and who was out there in the first place.

So what you're saying is, they weren't allowed to sign a better guard or two when FA started?

[*rfaulk34*]

(4 hours ago)bfine32 Wrote: Since 2012:

2013- DNQ
2014- Beat Pit/ Lost to NE
2015-DNQ
2016-DNQ
2017-DNQ
2018-Lost to LAC
2019- Lost to Ten
2020- Beat Ten, Lost Bills
2021- DNQ
2022- Lost CIN
2023- Beat Ten HOU, Lost Chiefs
2024- Pit Pit, Lost Lost PIT

So they've won 4 since  2012. I missed the 2nd Titan's HOU win; Yet they've never beat KC, CIN, of BUF during that stretch

Good thing you didn't add 2012 in there...