Trey Hendrickson Update

[*rfaulk34*]

(Yesterday, 02:13 PM)Synric Wrote: Meh. I obviously don't know where they stalled in negotiations but we are just 2 weeks out from the draft. The Front Office is small and is dealing with all the contracts from the draft picks and UDFAs etc. I don't expect them to circle back to Trey until at LEAST mid-June more likely when training camp starts in July.

So they can't ring up his agent and say, "hey, let's circle back to this after we take care of X business"?

[BengalsBong]

(Yesterday, 05:58 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Beware the mysterious injury..

It could happen but Hendrikson will be a free agent and looking for a new contract with a new team next year most likely.

So Hendrikson better not let his agent talk him into a corner by having a half ass year.

[*michaelsean*]

If the refs would flag the O line even half the time Trey is mugged then he’d definitely be with $40 million.

[THE PISTONS]

Trey just shared the Shefter story that no communication has taken place with the Bengals since the draft on his ig stories.

I'm guessing it's true.

[Soonerpeace]

(11 hours ago)PDub80 Wrote: Based on the last reports on this, I'm siding with the Bengals....

- Bengals offered Trey $28Mill/per

- Trey countered by saying mid $30s/per

- Bengals added incentives to the $28 that would get him to mid 30s.

- Trey countered by saying that he shouldn't have to perform to get paid like that at this point in his career since he has already been performing.

- Trey also threatened to retire at one point. Meaning, the Bengals could extend him for 2 years and not get the time. Sorry, folks, but I don't side with the player here in this specific case. I think $28/per guaranteed + incentives to get into the mid $30s is a fair deal for Trey.

- I'm in sales and am a top 1% performer. So much so that I don't have a boss and report directly to the owner, where as the jr sales guys under me report to a GM and then me..... If I go to the owner and tell him that I want my salary next year doubled & then guaranteed based on my sales this year, he would tell me absolutely NOT.  Would he give me some extra points off of the guy's I mentor's sales? YES. Maybe a bump in my % or guaranteed pay? YES. Allow me to buy/earn ownership points in the business? YES....

But would he just look at last year and say, sure, I'll pay you double next year just for showing up, regardless of the results? HELL NO. I've transformed this guy's company by completely changing how they work with clients, introduced new products/services, DOUBLED their sales AND increased profitability on those sales by 20%.... And he would still pay me off of what I keep producing.

Sorry, Trey. Take the $28mill/per + incentives and keep going. That's how the real world/business works. It's all incentive pay in real time.

You’re not far off here. But I don’t know if the NFL is structured that 20% is incentives. Trey has earned top 5 DE money that’s not bonus structured. If Cincy can’t work a deal trade him for what they can. There’s the rub. They want too much. Just take the loss Cincy 

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(Yesterday, 03:42 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Team has the leverage.

I always find it interesting when people say things like that about truly star players. 

Without Hendrickson, the Bengals playoff hopes are already over. Their defense is already looking like it will be rough at best, but without your All-Pro sack king? It would be the worst in the league. We saw last year that even if you ask Burrow to throw it 40 times a game to put up MVP-like numbers and Chase has a triple crown, that's still not enough. That's then a third straight season of missing the playoffs, another year of Burrow's career gone, and a souring of fans who the Blackburns want money from.

It's why star players have always had more say and leverage. There's so few of them, they have a massively outsized impact compared to non-stars, and they're so hard/impossible to replace.

[Soonerpeace]

(9 hours ago)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I always find it interesting when people say things like that about truly star players. 

Without Hendrickson, the Bengals playoff hopes are already over. Their defense is already looking like it will be rough at best, but without your All-Pro sack king? It would be the worst in the league. We saw last year that even if you ask Burrow to throw it 40 times a game to put up MVP-like numbers and Chase has a triple crown, that's still not enough. That's then a third straight season of missing the playoffs, another year of Burrow's career gone, and a souring of fans who the Blackburns want money from.

It's why star players have always had more say and leverage. There's so few of them, they have a massively outsized impact compared to non-stars, and they're so hard/impossible to replace.

Our stalling in rewarding our star players ( except Burrow) has cost us a lot of money. 

[*rfaulk34*]

Compared to other top ED/OLB. The Bengals not only got Trey on a bargain basement FA contract, after he produced for them, they're now not willing to show him any love for their ROI. Even their extension last year was for less APY than any of the others, despite what he's done the last 2 years. 

2nd contracts, APY, age when contract was signed, notes. 
TJ Watt - $28MM (27 yrs old) extension coming
M Garrett - $25MM (25 yrs old) just extended/back loaded/3 void years/$40MM APY
D Hunter - $24.5MM (30 yrs old) 3rd contract (FA)
M Crosby - $23.5MM (25 yrs old) just extended/ 3yrs $35.5MM
T Hendrickson - $15MM (27 yrs old) (FA) / extended 1yr $21MM


Sacks since 2020 (and last 2 years)
TJ Watt - 54.5 (30.5 last 2 years)
M Garrett - 72.0 (28.0 last 2 years)
D Hunter - 45.0 (28.5 last 2 years)
M Crosby - 49.5 (22.0 last 2 years)
T Hendrickson - 70.5 (35.0 last 2 years)

They're simply tight-fisted penny-pinching skinflints who aren't willing to pay an older player, to show any kind of love or to say thanks for over producing because they don't want to take a chance on their ROI going in the tank. See; A Whitworth.

Add in the hypocrisy of asking for top return (because they feel that's what his worth is), while not being willing to pay top (not even near the top) money for the next couple years...because apparently he's not worth that, so what you have is a bunch of dim-witted jagoffs who don't know how to run an NFL franchise with the intent on winning a championship. 

[BenZoo2]

(Yesterday, 07:30 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: That's a complex comparison. The Browns dont have a Burrow, Chase, and Higgins paid at the top of their positions.

You’re somewhat right on what the browns don’t have.  Deshaun got a big money, all guaranteed.  They don’t have the others though.  Players don’t really care much about that though, they are mostly looking out for themselves.  But Garrett and Crosby are the ones who just got recent extensions so the comps are relevant.  Treys agent would be doing him a disservice not pointing treys sack totals compared to theirs.  But his age and run defense are working against him.

We still don’t know the offer or his demands.  I still lean towards the notion the bengals have their final offer, or something really close to it.

And I think watt and the Steelers are heading in the same direction 

[*bfine32*]

(7 hours ago)rfaulk34 Wrote: Compared to other top ED/OLB. The Bengals not only got Trey on a bargain basement FA contract, after he produced for them, they're now not willing to show him any love for their ROI. Even their extension last year was for less APY than any of the others, despite what he's done the last 2 years. 

What are they offering him? 

[NATI BENGALS]

If we pay him 2x as much as he is under contract for in the terms of the contract he signed will he be 2x better at stopping the run?

[*rfaulk34*]

(6 hours ago)bfine32 Wrote: What are they offering him? 

Likely a fair amount less than his actual worth, let alone his own perceived worth. 

Market for Trey should be between 30-35M. 

If i had to take a wild shot in the dark...i'd say they're probably offering around 26M.