Is Shemar holding out?

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(Yesterday, 08:25 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: If the defense was playing much better Lou would not have been fired.

They were playing better and I am sure there are a host of reasons lou was let go

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(8 hours ago)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Agree, like 20 other teams have had this clause in their rookie contracts for years. The moment the Bengals do it for the first time everybody
jumps on them and acts like they are the worst FO of all time because Shemar was told by his agent not to sign. We can hate on the Bengals
FO but we also have to try and not be biased. I admit it though, I am biased against the agents that don't get the players they represent playing
football for the team that drafted them.

Same with being biased against Trey's dumbass agent.

But Ja'Marr's got his and Tee's deals done so that agent is excluded and doing things the right way in my eyes.


Travis Hunter has been practicing while not being signed. That is a football player. Shemar has let me down listening to his agent and not 
practicing. I was one of the few that was behind the pick and now I am not so sure.

I've previously changed my stance a bit and stated that if it's an NFL norm for others and the Bengals are trying to newly impliment it, i don't really have an issue with it...with these questions.

1. Are the Bengals adjusting the guarantee payout to match other teams, i.e., are they paying a bigger percentage at signing and then a smaller percentage later, or are they trying to give a smaller amount at signing?
2. Is that part of the issue with Shemar and his agent?
3. Does Shemar just not want to be the first Bengal rookie to have this language in his contract?

If 1 and 2 are true, that's a "Bengals cheap" thing. 
If 3 is true, that's a Shemar thing. 

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(8 hours ago)rfaulk34 Wrote: I've previously changed my stance a bit and stated that if it's an NFL norm for others and the Bengals are trying to newly impliment it, i don't really have an issue with it...with these questions.

1. Are the Bengals adjusting the guarantee payout to match other teams, i.e., are they paying a bigger percentage at signing and then a smaller percentage later, or are they trying to give a smaller amount at signing?
2. Is that part of the issue with Shemar and his agent?
3. Does Shemar just not want to be the first Bengal rookie to have this language in his contract?

If 1 and 2 are true, that's a "Bengals cheap" thing. 
If 3 is true, that's a Shemar thing. 

Honestly it seems like it's all 3. The agent said they don't like the precedent being changed but if it is they need to negotiate that and give something to them and he mentioned specifically the timing of the signing bonus. 

That's why I think this is a Bengals issue. Both sides have made mistakes but changing your contract language only seems fair to give something in return.

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(8 hours ago)NUGDUKWE Wrote: Honestly it seems like it's all 3. The agent said they don't like the precedent being changed but if it is they need to negotiate that and give something to them and he mentioned specifically the timing of the signing bonus. 

That's why I think this is a Bengals issue. Both sides have made mistakes but changing your contract language only seems fair to give something in return.

Pre

cisely!

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(8 hours ago)rfaulk34 Wrote: I've previously changed my stance a bit and stated that if it's an NFL norm for others and the Bengals are trying to newly impliment it, i don't really have an issue with it...with these questions.

1. Are the Bengals adjusting the guarantee payout to match other teams, i.e., are they paying a bigger percentage at signing and then a smaller percentage later, or are they trying to give a smaller amount at signing?
2. Is that part of the issue with Shemar and his agent?
3. Does Shemar just not want to be the first Bengal rookie to have this language in his contract?

If 1 and 2 are true, that's a "Bengals cheap" thing. 
If 3 is true, that's a Shemar thing. 

Good questions alright Rfaulk. Yes, if 1 and 2 are true, the Bengals are being cheap to a point so they would take some of the blame.

I tend to agree with Nug and think it is all 3 otherwise this would of been taken care of by now.

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(8 hours ago)rfaulk34 Wrote: I've previously changed my stance a bit and stated that if it's an NFL norm for others and the Bengals are trying to newly impliment it, i don't really have an issue with it...with these questions.

1. Are the Bengals adjusting the guarantee payout to match other teams, i.e., are they paying a bigger percentage at signing and then a smaller percentage later, or are they trying to give a smaller amount at signing?
2. Is that part of the issue with Shemar and his agent?
3. Does Shemar just not want to be the first Bengal rookie to have this language in his contract?

If 1 and 2 are true, that's a "Bengals cheap" thing. 
If 3 is true, that's a Shemar thing. 

(6 hours ago)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Good questions alright Rfaulk. Yes, if 1 and 2 are true, the Bengals are being cheap to a point so they would take some of the blame.

I tend to agree with Nug and think it is all 3 otherwise this would of been taken care of by now.

I agree with your thoughts and add that since the contract will be fully guaranteed, the issue revolves around the entire $19M of the deal.  

The rookie bonus amounts are on a scale, so pre-determine. But if the Bengals are spreading the bonus payment ($9M) over the course of the contract, then the default language is a proverbial "gun to your head" situation. 

But, if they are paying it out in the first 12 months or so, then I don't see it as much of an issue. Some Teams pay a portion at signing and the rest in December.

Ultimately; if the Bengals are instilling the default language, their bonus payment schedule and annual salary should mirror those of other Teams. 

If they are offering that and Shemar is stuck on the precedent argument, then its on him.

I will add that the CBA reduced the draft pick compensation (especially for the high first rounders) with the stipulation that those contracts be fully guaranteed. I'm not sure which loopholes and why are they being used to side step the spirit of that agreement. But that is what it feels like to me. 

EDIT: 
Is the Henry Ruggs issue the culprit? I would be interested in when did this language start getting incorporated in rookie contracts.