Geno Stone takes pay cut

[XsandOs]

(Yesterday, 07:19 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: We get Trey extended and add another Guard like Risner or Scherff and I am happy with this Offseason for sure.

Bottom line we didn't lose anybody essential to our success.

This!

If you had told me in January that we would sign Chase AND Tee, pay Gisecki and pay Hill - I would have questioned your sanity.

With the draft picks, extending Trey and signing a G would complete the quasi rebuild. 

[SunsetBengal]

(Yesterday, 07:19 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: We get Trey extended and add another Guard like Risner or Scherff and I am happy with this Offseason for sure.

Bottom line we didn't lose anybody essential to our success.

You're right, all they've really done is cheapen the payroll with equal or lesser talent. Let's hope that this draft knocked it out of the park.. 

[Soonerpeace]

I think Trey gets done but I think they are done. I believe Pally said Geno took a pay cut for Trey? That’s hard to believe if it weren’t Pally.

[*rfaulk34*]

(Yesterday, 09:41 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: You're right, all they've really done is cheapen the payroll with equal or lesser talent. Let's hope that this draft knocked it out of the park.. 

"Hope is not a strategy". 

[SunsetBengal]

(Yesterday, 10:01 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: "Hope is not a strategy". 

I know that you're right, but it's all that I've got at this point in the year. 

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(Yesterday, 09:59 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: I think Trey gets done but I think they are done. I believe Pally said Geno took a pay cut for Trey? That’s hard to believe if it weren’t Pally.

You can just leave it at "that's hard to believe". 

The Bengals intentionally gave Tee and Chase decent base salaries in 2025 to up their year 1 cap hits rather than try to do any gymnastics to increase cap space now, they also haven't cut Pratt or Volson yet. They haven't used any of the many non-paycut methods they have available to them to create cap space. So it's absolutely unlikely that Stone just purely out of the good of his heart agreed to take a 25% paycut so that Hendrickson, who was already making 3x of Stone's original salary, could get even more money. That $1.5m will certainly make all the difference while passrushers are getting $33-40m/yr.

[*rfaulk34*]

(Yesterday, 10:03 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I know that you're right, but it's all that I've got at this point in the year. 

It's all good. I just can't believe it took me this long to put it in my sig.

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(Yesterday, 09:54 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: That's encouraging news. I hope that it means that they're gathering as much cap room as they can to get the extension with Hendrickson done and possibly sign Brandon Scherff to play Right Guard.

I have been reading more, that both sides are starting to get serious about getting Trey's contract done.

[Luvnit2]

Bengals are not the FO that lacks effeciency many fans perceive them to be.

Geno by his own admission was upset with how he played in 2024, as he said esepecially the first half of 2024. He also said it was ony his fault so to me I know words, but ecouraging words because not easy to admit your poor play is your fault.

It also aappears they are trying to create cap space fo 2025, they also restructured Moss so between the two an extra 3 million.

I hope the first priority is to extend Trey through 2027 with a fair deal. Then, would like either a vet CB or vet OG.

[CottonHill]

Another sterling FA agent signing praised by you guys on the board. I told yall he was extremely limited, bolstered by filling in on a great defense where he had a defined role. He is a spot starter in this league...... I was villainized but looks like i nailed it again.

[Luvnit2]

(3 hours ago)CottonHill Wrote: Another sterling FA agent signing praised by you guys on the board. I told yall he was extremely limited, bolstered by filling in on a great defense where he had a defined role. He is a spot starter in this league...... I was villainized but looks like i nailed it again.

Wow, you are so much smarters than the rest of the forum. 

[CottonHill]

(Today, 01:15 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Bengals are not the FO that lacks effeciency many fans perceive them to be.

Geno by his own admission was upset with how he played in 2024, as he said esepecially the first half of 2024. He also said it was ony his fault so to me I know words, but ecouraging words because not easy to admit your poor play is your fault.

It also aappears they are trying to create cap space fo 2025, they also restructured Moss so between the two an extra 3 million.

I hope the first priority is to extend Trey through 2027 with a fair deal. Then, would like either a vet CB or vet OG.

Why would you extend Trey at the tip top of his value? He still has a year on his contract. Its almost 99% certain his production dips, even if just a tad, and hes a year older, so you can sign him for much cheaper. 
So why would you do it now? 

[Luvnit2]

(Yesterday, 10:01 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: "Hope is not a strategy". 

I agree hope is not a strategy.

Can you name the NFL yeam that does need hope at a position or 2 at this point of the off season?

Let's start with Ravens, do they know the rookie kicker will be the next version of Tucker?

Do the Steelers hope Rudolph will suddenly become a great QB and help them win the Super Bowl?

Do the Browns know whcih of their 5 QB's will get them to the Super Bowl?

Do the Chiefs hope all pro Thuney can easily be replaced on an offensive line that the Eagles shredded in the Super Bowl?

Do the Vikings hope McCarthy will take them to the Super Bowl in 2025?

Does every NFL team hope their key players are not injured and unavaiable late in the year and in the playoffs?

Hope is not a strategy, but every team needs it, not just the Bengals.

[*rfaulk34*]

(Today, 01:15 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Bengals are not the FO that lacks effeciency many fans perceive them to be.

Geno by his own admission was upset with how he played in 2024, as he said esepecially the first half of 2024. He also said it was ony his fault so to me I know words, but ecouraging words because not easy to admit your poor play is your fault.

It also aappears they are trying to create cap space fo 2025, they also restructured Moss so between the two an extra 3 million.

I hope the first priority is to extend Trey through 2027 with a fair deal. Then, would like either a vet CB or vet OG.

Yes they are. Their "efficiency" is absolutely terrible. They could have signed Chase, Tee and Trey to much less money over the last 2-3 years. They've ended up having to pay many millions more because they wanted to haggle as the market price rose. With even a little commone sense, forget about foresight, they could have all of them under contract right now, paying them less annually while having more cap space. 

Now that they're under contract (i believe Trey will be soon), in 2-3 years, their current deals will look like bargains and i'm sure many (some?) will come running to proclaim how smart the Bengals FO is for having players already under contract while the market is skyrocketing. Only, they'll forget how much more they could have saved if they had simply done it earlier. 

Now, if you want to talk about their M.O., then i can agree. They have changed the way they operate over the last 5 years, with improvements in different areas. They still lag behind the "better" franchises in some ways, but they've gotten better with things like RoH, improvements to the stadium and practice area and the improvements to the locker room and weight room, etc. 

[Luvnit2]

(3 hours ago)CottonHill Wrote: Why would you extend Trey at the tip top of his value? He still has a year on his contract. Its almost 99% certain his production dips, even if just a tad, and hes a year older, so you can sign him for much cheaper. 
So why would you do it now? 

Simple, Trey over played hs current deal. I have been sonistent, we need to extend Trey, but not for 30 million in 2025. I said fair contract, I think the Bengals need to give him a nice 5 to 7 million dollar bonus for 2025. Then give him insentive laden deals for 2026 and 2027 that he can make 30 million a year, but based on production so very little guaranteed.

The players respect him and it is also great PR to sign hi to an extension. I have also said it takes to agree, if Tey wants a guaranteed deal for 30 million or more in 2025, 2026 or 2027, no way I do that if I am the Bengals.

The team can easily structure a deal to insure if our 31 year old who will be 33 the final year of a 3 year extension won't be off the hoo if he is injured or production slips (he loses incentives).

[Luvnit2]

(3 hours ago)rfaulk34 Wrote: Yes they are. Their "efficiency" is absolutely terrible. They could have signed Chase, Tee and Trey to much less money over the last 2-3 years. They've ended up having to pay many millions more because they wanted to haggle as the market price rose. With even a little commone sense, forget about foresight, they could have all of them under contract right now, paying them less annually while having more cap space. 

Now that they're under contract (i believe Trey will be soon), in 2-3 years, their current deals will look like bargains and i'm sure many (some?) will come running to proclaim how smart the Bengals FO is for having players already under contract while the market is skyrocketing. Only, they'll forget how much more they could have saved if they had simply done it earlier. 

Now, if you want to talk about their M.O., then i can agree. They have changed the way they operate over the last 5 years, with improvements in different areas. They still lag behind the "better" franchises in some ways, but they've gotten better with things like RoH, improvements to the stadium and practice area and the improvements to the locker room and weight room, etc. 

The offered Chase. huge contract prior to 2024 and Chase said no. It takes 2 to come to an agreement. In hindset, yes it is easy to say they screwed up. You mention Chase, yet do not mention the Burrow deal. Did FO do well locking up JB? I say hell yes.

They also may be the best albeit conservative teams in the NFL not shelling out bad cotracts and eating dead money (money they can spend on their players). I want them to be more agressive manipulating th cap but when I see the Ravens having to eat 7.5 million for a 35 year old kicker and over 15 million for a saftey not on their roster, 8.5 million for Beckham Jr. from 2 years ago and over 3 million for another receiver, I appreciate why they do as they do.

Thr Ravens routinely have in excess of 15 million dollars of dead cap, it is their MO, but to say they are using cap dollars wisely is simply not true. What could they have done with their roster in 2025 with an extra 20 million?

I am interested to see how they deal with Trey. They don't have to do anything, but I am hopeful they do something. They have another decision to make with Pratt, do they keep him and then the LB room is set or do they trade or cut him?

Who are your top 10 FO's and why?

[Soonerpeace]

(3 hours ago)CottonHill Wrote: Another sterling FA agent signing praised by you guys on the board. I told yall he was extremely limited, bolstered by filling in on a great defense where he had a defined role. He is a spot starter in this league...... I was villainized but looks like i nailed it again.

I was not on board with Stone.

[Joelist]

Stone was misused by Lou, who made him play rather passively in a cover read and react role. Once the defense was simplified and Stone was allowed to attack his play level jumped.

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(3 hours ago)rfaulk34 Wrote: Yes they are. Their "efficiency" is absolutely terrible. They could have signed Chase, Tee and Trey to much less money over the last 2-3 years. They've ended up having to pay many millions more because they wanted to haggle as the market price rose. With even a little commone sense, forget about foresight, they could have all of them under contract right now, paying them less annually while having more cap space. 

Now that they're under contract (i believe Trey will be soon), in 2-3 years, their current deals will look like bargains and i'm sure many (some?) will come running to proclaim how smart the Bengals FO is for having players already under contract while the market is skyrocketing. Only, they'll forget how much more they could have saved if they had simply done it earlier. 

Now, if you want to talk about their M.O., then i can agree. They have changed the way they operate over the last 5 years, with improvements in different areas. They still lag behind the "better" franchises in some ways, but they've gotten better with things like RoH, improvements to the stadium and practice area and the improvements to the locker room and weight room, etc. 

They also structured the deals poorly. Chase/Higgins ended up eating extra cap because of the way tgey structured the bonuses, while still costing them the same amount of money. 

Over $10 mil in space. Again, this is $$ we paid out anyway. 

https://athlonsports.com/nfl/cincinnati-bengals/cap-expert-reveals-cincinnati-bengals-two-key-mistakes-recent-extensions-jamarr-chase-tee-higgins

I have a hard time believing any FO could be so stupid. The "mistake" did not save them any money directly, but since they now have less cap space, they cannot reinvest that $11 mil back into the team. 

They then can pocket that $$$ and plead no cap space & get guys to take cuts (Moss, Stone). 

If the mistake is genuine, they are incompetent. If it isn't, they'd rather pocket the $$ than try to win a SB.

Pick one.

[*rfaulk34*]

(3 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: I agree hope is not a strategy.

Can you name the NFL yeam that does need hope at a position or 2 at this point of the off season?

Let's start with Ravens, do they know the rookie kicker will be the next version of Tucker?

Do the Steelers hope Rudolph will suddenly become a great QB and help them win the Super Bowl?

Do the Browns know whcih of their 5 QB's will get them to the Super Bowl?

Do the Chiefs hope all pro Thuney can easily be replaced on an offensive line that the Eagles shredded in the Super Bowl?

Do the Vikings hope McCarthy will take them to the Super Bowl in 2025?

Does every NFL team hope their key players are not injured and unavaiable late in the year and in the playoffs?

Hope is not a strategy, but every team needs it, not just the Bengals.