Worse draft in the Burrow Era

[Sled21]

(Yesterday, 01:11 PM)Synric Wrote: Germaine Pratt was a better tackler coming out of NC State then Demetrius Knight. It was Pratt's best overall trait while he didn't have alot of length he was like a magnetic to ball carriers and ALWAYS took the defender to the ground.

Knight has a better understanding of what's going on in front of him than Pratt did. As a former QB you can see him react to the checks/shifts and he also quickly recognizes the pass protection in front of him and triggers as a blitzer. 

Maybe he was, but he's not anymore. No one can watch his film from the last two years, especially last year, and say he's still a good tackler. He gets carried on almost every play. And I don't mean this to be Pratt bashing, I liked him and he was a big reason we went to the playoffs, but he is what his last season says he is....

[Sled21]

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[Luvnit2]

(Yesterday, 03:36 PM)Sled21 Wrote: https://youtube.com/shorts/S86UUOoUt3g?si=UnVluh_9CMCo6i8E

I did not know PFF had Knight ranked as 33rd best player in the draft. It appears he was given a wide range. The question the FO had to decifer was if he would still be available at pick 81 in round 3. I say no way, others disagree.

[MTBengalsFan]

Listened to NFL Blitz today and they were evaluating the 2021 draft, team-by-team and re-evaluating the picks and grades. Chase gave the Bengals an A grade. They had a good laugh over the Giants, who they both gave an "A" to at the time. Their debate was if their is such a grade as an F-, with not a single player remaining on their roster.

[NUGDUKWE]

(Yesterday, 03:41 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I did not PFF had Knight ranked as 33rd best player in the draft. It appears he was given a wide range. The question the FO had to decifer was if he would still be available at pick 81 in round 3. I say no way, others disagree.

Whether or not the team thinks a player will or will not make it to they're next pick it's still a reach if your going outside of the consensus rankings. I'm fine with doing this in later rounds just not in rd 2. 

[Luvnit2]

(Yesterday, 06:11 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: Whether or not the team thinks a player will or will not make it to they're next pick it's still a reach if your going outside of the consensus rankings. I'm fine with doing this in later rounds just not in rd 2. 

Do the consensus ranking matter to any team? Do you feel that is what they use to determine picks?

I was told the Bengals put players into buckets by round. It appears they had 2 LB's in round 2. Stewart was in round 1. 

A reach is a term used by pudits based on their or consensus rankings. In the end, if the pick is not successful it was a reach in my opinion. It is impossible to determine outcome until they play in the NFL.

[NUGDUKWE]

(Yesterday, 07:16 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Do the consensus ranking matter to any team? Do you feel that is what they use to determine picks?

I was told the Bengals put players into buckets by round. It appears they had 2 LB's in round 2. Stewart was in round 1. 

A reach is a term used by pudits based on their or consensus rankings. In the end, if the pick is not successful it was a reach in my opinion. It is impossible to determine outcome until they play in the NFL.

Yes the good teams do follow consensus because that's where players will tend to go. Meaning you really like a guy who's deamed to be in the 4th or 5th range you don't take him on day 2. You fill your team with as much high end talent as you can.

You judge the draft on the value at each pick. If the team isn't getting good value at there picks then it's not a good draft. Yes it may work out but your taking on more risk than you had to. We don't have to wait a few years to grade this draft. It's bad maybe they get lucky but that's exactly what it will be "luck". The offseason the Bengals put together is not good.

[sandwedge]

(Yesterday, 06:11 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: Whether or not the team thinks a player will or will not make it to they're next pick it's still a reach if your going outside of the consensus rankings. I'm fine with doing this in later rounds just not in rd 2. 

Do you think NFL teams really care what consensus rankings say? I'm pretty sure they don't listen to the likes of Kiper or McShay.

[Truck_1_0_1_]

(Yesterday, 08:23 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: Yes the good teams do follow consensus because that's where players will tend to go. Meaning you really like a guy who's deamed to be in the 4th or 5th range you don't take him on day 2. You fill your team with as much high end talent as you can.

You judge the draft on the value at each pick. If the team isn't getting good value at there picks then it's not a good draft. Yes it may work out but your taking on more risk than you had to. We don't have to wait a few years to grade this draft. It's bad maybe they get lucky but that's exactly what it will be "luck". The offseason the Bengals put together is not good.

Aside from BMore, no they absolutely do NOT.

Patriots won all of those super bowls: did they ever draft like the consensus was? Absolutely not.

Teams stick to their boards, period. 

[schroomytunes]

I actually liked our draft, we got a lot of needs with our picks:

1) Stewart- solid pick I think can be an asset now and open up the defense for other playmakers.

2) Knight- will be a Will LB'er and will help stop the run and pass. Pratt couldn't do neither wo giving up yards after contact.

3) Fairchild- can compete for the starter at LG

4) Carter- gives us solid depth at the LB position, which tbh was a weakness last year.

5) Rivers- solid G/T combo guy who will give us depth along the oline which needed it.

6) Brooks- solid #4 RB, this room is a solid room now, last year was all Chase. we needed balence to control the clock which strengthens the Defense.

UDFA's

1) Seth McLaughlin- if he wasn't injured would have been drafted, solid possible future Center here!

2) Howard Cross- undersized DT, but can penetrate, knows Golden's system could make the roster.

3) Jordan Moore- I actually think he could make the roster if we carry 6 Wr's or he could supplant Jones or Burton.

4) Caleb Etienne- good size to work with, chances are 20%, but a good guy to protect on the practice squad.

[*Synric*]

(Yesterday, 03:26 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Maybe he was, but he's not anymore. No one can watch his film from the last two years, especially last year, and say he's still a good tackler. He gets carried on almost every play. And I don't mean this to be Pratt bashing, I liked him and he was a big reason we went to the playoffs, but he is what his last season says he is....

This is the most over exaggerated BS be spouted on the board right now. People remember 1 or 2 tackles from behind like that and think it happened every week.

The majortiy of Pratts missed tackles came from bad angles the results of being slow and stiff. He also played the last part of the season out of position as the MIKE which really exaggerated his stiffness. 

[Soonerpeace]

PFF REVIEW #53 Big Board
Knight will be one of the oldest prospects in the 2025 NFL Draft, but he is a mature player with good processing and fundamentally sound tackling. His run-defense angles can be a bit overaggressive, but you'll take that trade-off due to how well he moves in coverage and when pursuing ball carriers.
SHADES OF
Bobby Okereke
PROS
Adequate size for off-ball LB work
Loves the physical aspect of playing LB
Competitive toughness will never be in question
Long arms to stack and shed
Strong tackler with a low missed tackle percentages
Fast processor
Very good athlete for the position — explosive first step, great top speed and a natural lateral mover
Fast hands give him some decent pass rush potential as a blitzer
CONS
All-out play style yields overaggressive angles to the ball
Will be one of the oldest prospects in the class

[NUGDUKWE]

(7 hours ago)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Aside from BMore, no they absolutely do NOT.

Patriots won all of those super bowls: did they ever draft like the consensus was? Absolutely not.

Teams stick to their boards, period. 

Teams stick to the they're board. But good teams take the consensus into account. It's why the Bengals graded so poorly they're process isn't very good.

[NUGDUKWE]

(8 hours ago)sandwedge Wrote: Do you think NFL teams really care what consensus rankings say? I'm pretty sure they don't listen to the likes of Kiper or McShay.

The consensus isn't McShay and Kiper. It's why you see so much fluctuation between January and the draft. All the athletic testing, injury news and deeper dives into players tape. 

If teams don't value the consensus then why is the top 10 generally the top 10?