Welcome Shamar Stewart

[Goalpost]

But really.....

Why are people so concerned with football?

"There's golf to be played and tennis to be served up and other things to be done out there besides worrying about a silly football game."

[Clark W Griswold]

(2 hours ago)Whatever Wrote: RAS is generally going to be lower with a pocket QB, to be fair.  

Of course just trying to lighten the mood a little. I mean he still has time to develope into a serviceable QB…

One thing I do like about Stewart is that everyone says he plays hard. That’s important and paired with his natural talent it really makes me think they may have something here.

I do think he’s Treys replacement starting next season.
If they do take a G and a S today then I think both will have a much greater chance of starting then Stewart will. I can see him being a rotational piece to start the season but the guard or safety should be able to beat out the guys they have now in TC.

[*Nately120*]

(Today, 12:35 AM)tBengal Wrote: Sounds like he can get into the backfield, it’s just that he can’t finish. Maybe he can chase the QB into Hendrickson.

That'd be quite the feat if we trade him to Detroit or something. 

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(2 hours ago)Whatever Wrote: So, the RAS scores for the 1st round picks in the Taylor era are...

Jonah Williams-5.48
Joe Burrow -6.39
Ja'Marr Chase -9.81
Dax Hill-9.03
Myles Murphy -9.52
Amarius Mims -9.59
Shemar Stewart-10.00

I think everyone can agree that Chase was a hit.  Mims, based on his rookie season, is trending that way.

Dax is a tough one to handicap because his development has been stunted by injury and position changes, but he did look good once they moved him to outside CB last year.

Murphy is the only real guy I can say is a high RAS disappointing that doesn't have mitigating factors.  

Teams value RAS because the average player on an NFL roster has a 7.16 RAS, with the average starter over 8.

Take Jonah, for example.  He was as technically sound and "productive" as you could get out of college.  He was mediocre in the pro's because he just didn't have the traits to match up with more athletic edge rushers.

This is a good post. Thanks for that. But it is not either or. Take the guys who have both production AND the traits. 

All the guys on that list were productive, even Mims in limited snaps. Murphy was the least productive & had trouble finishing. 

Just for fun: RAS: 

Zabel: 9.49
Jackson: 9.72
J. Campbell: 9.95
Emmanwori: 10.00
Starks: 5.49
Barron: 9.00
Johnson: n/a
Harmon: n/a

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2025/apr/24/dave-boling-north-dakota-state-guard-grey-zabel-a-/

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25166807-2025-nfl-draft-big-board-br-nfl-scouting-depts-post-combine-rankings

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nfl-combine-top-ras-results-by-position-2025/

[Millhouse]

(2 hours ago)Clark W Griswold Wrote: Of course just trying to lighten the mood a little.  I mean he still has time to develope into a serviceable QB…

One thing I do like about Stewart is that everyone says he plays hard. That’s important and paired with his natural talent it really makes me think they may have something here.

I do think he’s Treys replacement starting next season.
If they do take a G and a S today then I think both will have a much greater chance of starting then Stewart will. I can see him being a rotational piece to start the season but the guard or safety should be able to beat out the guys they have now in TC.

If there is a positive straw to grasp at, this is definitely one of them. 

[*Nately120*]

(2 hours ago)Millhouse Wrote: If there is a positive straw to grasp at, this is definitely one of them. 

Well, when you mainly hire a new defensive staff because you need them to make chicken salad from chicken shit, it's only logical that your next move is to order another giant sack of chicken shit, right?

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(2 hours ago)Millhouse Wrote: If there is a positive straw to grasp at, this is definitely one of them. 

Murphy plays hard, too. 

[*bfine32*]

Seems many around here didn't want Booker because he wasn't Athletic enough despite dominating on the field. Now we're hating Stew for the opposite.

The following list contains former Bengal Great Wyatt Hubert:

Will McDonald (13)
Cade Hall (0)
Patrick Johnson (0)
Patrick Jones II (12)
Ochaun Mathis (0)
Leighton McCarthy (0)
Tarron Jackson (1)
Wyatt Hubert (1)
Isaiah Thomas (1)
Durrell Johnson (0)

Does anyone know what it is?

2020 NCAA Sack leaders (CAREER NFL Sacks)

[Whatever]

(2 hours ago)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: This is a good post. Thanks for that. But it is not either or. Take the guys who have both production AND the traits. 

All the guys on that list were productive, even Mims in limited snaps. Murphy was the least productive & had trouble finishing. 

Just for fun: RAS: 

Zabel: 9.49
Jackson: 9.72
J. Campbell: 9.95
Emmanwori: 10.00
Starks: 5.49
Barron: 9.00
Johnson: n/a
Harmon: n/a

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2025/apr/24/dave-boling-north-dakota-state-guard-grey-zabel-a-/

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25166807-2025-nfl-draft-big-board-br-nfl-scouting-depts-post-combine-rankings

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nfl-combine-top-ras-results-by-position-2025/

Lots of guys skip agility drills, but Zabel and Jackson literally refused to run, so I take those scores with a massive grain of salt.   Campbell didn't do bench or vert jump, so he's also incomplete, but had a legit excuse with the injury.

[HarleyDog]

The only way this pick makes sense is if we plan to keep Trey. Together, they could be very disruptive. I know nothing about Stewart. But after watching his highlights (what little there is), he has good speed and strength. Quick off the ball. If he draws much attention, then Trey sets the sack record again, and our DL looks competitive.

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(1 hour ago)Whatever Wrote: Lots of guys skip agility drills, but Zabel and Jackson literally refused to run, so I take those scores with a massive grain of salt.   Campbell didn't do bench or vert jump, so he's also incomplete, but had a legit excuse with the injury.

Whatever, whatever. You are missing the point. 

There were plenty of guys with great tape and great RAS scores who have proven they were good at football. Stewart has poor football instincts. He tries hard, but just doesn't get it. 

Duke is arrogant enough to keep picking these guys because ye thinks we can fix them. Despite the long track record of failure. 

Most ootimistic grades are Bs. Many C/C-. I'd go F/D. 

https://bengalswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/bengals/2025/04/25/bengals-draft-grades-shemar-stewart-pick-extremely-mixed/83270018007/

[Millhouse]

(2 hours ago)Nately120 Wrote: Well, when you mainly hire a new defensive staff because you need them to make chicken salad from chicken shit, it's only logical that your next move is to order another giant sack of chicken shit, right?

(2 hours ago)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Murphy plays hard, too. 

Can't I just have a moment of almost being positive?

[Gdale_Bengal]

(4 hours ago)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: The thing you are failing to see is that pick 15 to 45 or so are all the same type of player—flawed in some way.

Definitely not true. Stewart has no pass rush moves. He is just fast and big. The Bengals have failed so hard and so often in tge past with these guys, you have to expect the worst. How’s Myles Murphy doing?

[*Nately120*]

(1 hour ago)Millhouse Wrote: Can't I just have a moment of almost being positive?

Ah mellow out, I'm just having fun here. Positive is thinking our new DC can turn two guys who can't sack the QB into Michael Strayhan and Lawrence Taylor. 

I'd even say this next year Murphy is technically a rookie because Lou was so bad. 

[Luvnit2]

(1 hour ago)HarleyDog Wrote: The only way this pick makes sense is if we plan to keep Trey. Together, they could be very disruptive. I know nothing about Stewart. But after watching his highlights (what little there is), he has good speed and strength. Quick off the ball. If he draws much attention, then Trey sets the sack record again, and our DL looks competitive.

I will go on a limb and say our starting LDE position will be much better than Hubbard was in 2024. Granted it will not take much, but it will be much better in my humble opinion.

[Luvnit2]

(1 hour ago)HarleyDog Wrote: The only way this pick makes sense is if we plan to keep Trey. Together, they could be very disruptive. I know nothing about Stewart. But after watching his highlights (what little there is), he has good speed and strength. Quick off the ball. If he draws much attention, then Trey sets the sack record again, and our DL looks competitive.

Trey is not going anywhere in 2025 and drafting Stewart hurts any leverage he had to threaten to hold out. Bengals are not a team to waiver. They said a minimum 1st round pick and more. No 1st round was offered so they keep the sack leader. I still hope the 2 sides come to an agreement on an extension, it won't be the top dollar Trey desires.

JJ Watt wants extended also, he is last year of his deal and also 31. Bengals may be waiting on how Steeler's pay Watt, he is a lot closer comparision than Garrett who is a lot younger and not just a sack specialist.

[Frank Booth]

people are going to really hate al golden once it becomes clear he cant turn chicken poop into chicken salad. Some people here have already have their guns pointed right at him

[Luvnit2]

(1 hour ago)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Whatever, whatever. You are missing the point. 

There were plenty of guys with great tape and great RAS scores who have proven they were good at football. Stewart has poor football instincts. He tries hard, but just doesn't get it. 

Duke is arrogant enough to keep picking these guys because ye thinks we can fix them. Despite the long track record of failure. 

Most ootimistic grades are Bs. Many C/C-. I'd go F/D. 

https://bengalswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/bengals/2025/04/25/bengals-draft-grades-shemar-stewart-pick-extremely-mixed/83270018007/

Or maybe you are not the GM you think you are either. I did some research because I too did not want Stewart. Someone posted a great article discussing scheme A&M had him play run first, he was not permitted in their scheme to do his own thing. In the NFL, you also have to play the scheme in our case Golden and the DL coach draw up. 

I will also never trash a rookie who has yet to play 1 down in the NFL and rant he is a bust. He my be a turd, but he is our turd now.

[Luvnit2]

(1 hour ago)Frank Booth Wrote: people are going to really hate al golden once it becomes clear he cant turn chicken poop into chicken salad. Some people here have already have their guns pointed right at him

When do we get our 1st win?
How many wins will we get?
Who will be injured and lost for the season?
What is teh rank of our defense? Offense?

It appears you have it all figured out and see into the future so please tell oh great one.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(1 hour ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: Trey is not going anywhere in 2025 and drafting Stewart hurts any leverage he had to threaten to hold out. Bengals are not a team to waiver. They said a minimum 1st round pick and more. No 1st round was offered so they keep the sack leader. I still hope the 2 sides come to an agreement on an extension, it won't be the top dollar Trey desires.

JJ Watt wants extended also, he is last year of his deal and also 31. Bengals may be waiting on how Steeler's pay Watt, he is a lot closer comparision than Garrett who is a lot younger and not just a sack specialist.

The Bengals potentially walking into the 2025 season with a starting DE duo of Myles Murphy and Shamar Stewart helps Hendrickon's leverage, not hurts it.