Is Shemar holding out?

[Essex Johnson]

(Yesterday, 12:36 PM)spazz70 Wrote: The Bengals were never moving away from Cincinnati....IF they moved it would be north to Butler County or south to NKY....the are never moving away from the region...the threat they made was towards Hamilton County specifically...only the national media and the uninformed think they would move out of the state

If you look back it was if they sold team , would they stay .. not would they move.

[TecmoBengals]

(Yesterday, 04:16 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: A couple of draft picks does not guarantee winning teams..

Incorrect, in the case of this current team Burrow is absolutely the draft pick that has brought the team success in the past four seasons. He over anyone else associated with the organization is the most responsible for recent winning. The ole adage is accurate: The QB is the most important position in sports.

[Lucius Cincinnatus]

(Yesterday, 12:37 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Number of injuries are meaningless. The position and timing of the injured is more meaningful. As in last year when almost all of our DT's were injured at the same time makes it worse than having the same number of injuries spread across the roster.

Inordinate = Unusually or disproportionally large. Excessive. We haveclearly not had an "inordinate amount of injuries" no matter how you attempt to spin it. 

This stat isn't "#of injuries". It takes into consideration value of players. We have not faced an "inordinate amount". 

McKinley Jackson, Kris Jenkins, BJ Hill, and Sheldon Rankins never all missed the same games. 

Jackson: Missed weeks 1-4
Jenkins: Missed weeks 1-2
BJ Hill: Missed weeks 3-4
Rankins: Missed 3-5 & 12-15

For the 1st two weeks, we had our starting DTs. Week 3-4, we're missing 3 of our top 4, and week 5, we missed 1 of our top 4. 

[Essex Johnson]

(9 hours ago)TecmoBengals Wrote: Incorrect, in the case of this current team Burrow is absolutely the draft pick that has brought the team success in the past four seasons. He over anyone else associated with the organization is the most responsible for recent winning. The ole adage is accurate: The QB is the most important position in sports.

I am not  sure about incorrect, there is a valid argument that Chase is actually more impactful than Burrow right now.  Burrows rookie year was not alot of wins, but as soon as Chase was drafted, we started winning. Both are great players but Burrow did not have winning success as a QB until Chase came on team. so i  think you do need more than a very good QB to have team success 

[Sled21]

(8 hours ago)Lucius Cincinnatus Wrote: Inordinate = Unusually or disproportionally large. Excessive. We haveclearly not had an "inordinate amount of injuries" no matter how you attempt to spin it. 

This stat isn't "#of injuries". It takes into consideration value of players. We have not faced an "inordinate amount". 

McKinley Jackson, Kris Jenkins, BJ Hill, and Sheldon Rankins never all missed the same games. 

Jackson: Missed weeks 1-4
Jenkins: Missed weeks 1-2
BJ Hill: Missed weeks 3-4
Rankins: Missed 3-5 & 12-15

For the 1st two weeks, we had our starting DTs. Week 3-4, we're missing 3 of our top 4, and week 5, we missed 1 of our top 4. 

So in your eyes going into a game missing 3 of 4 Defensive Tackles is not an inordinate number of injuries at that position. And it's not just played, but Jenkins had his hand in a club cast when he played so he basically was playing one handed.

[Nepa]

In reference to the side discussion on the number of injuries the Bengals faced last year, here is a chart from late December (two weeks to go in regular season):

https://www.sportsinfosolutions.com/2024/12/26/which-nfl-teams-have-been-most-and-least-impacted-by-injuries/

It is based on the premise of "While the sheer amount of injuries a team has to deal with certainly takes its toll, most of the time the quality of players being lost is the more important variable."

In this chart, the Bengals ranked 11th in terms of having the most impactful injuries last year. Not good. But I would point out that the Detroit Lions were absolutely wrecked by injuries last year (which grew even worse after this chart was made), and they still managed to end 15 and 2. It really speaks to the need for the Bengals to invest both in quality depth and have a system whereby the team is not devastated by a few key injuries.

[*rfaulk34*]

(9 hours ago)TecmoBengals Wrote: Incorrect, in the case of this current team Burrow is absolutely the draft pick that has brought the team success in the past four seasons. He over anyone else associated with the organization is the most responsible for recent winning. The ole adage is accurate: The QB is the most important position in sports.

You gotta have the "Bell cow quarterback". 

[Lucius Cincinnatus]

(4 hours ago)Sled21 Wrote: So in your eyes going into a game missing 3 of 4 Defensive Tackles is not an inordinate number of injuries at that position. And it's not just played, but Jenkins had his hand in a club cast when he played so he basically was playing one handed.

I'd bet you can find several teams last year that had to play a few games without 3/4 players at a position. The poster also didn't say it was just last year that we had an inordinate number of injuries. They were seemingly blaming the last couple years on an inordinate number of injuries.

And again, he didn't say we had an inordinate number of injuries at one position. He was speaking in generalities which would imply looking at injuries across our roster vs. looking at 4 injuries specifically.

[TecmoBengals]

(8 hours ago)Essex Johnson Wrote: I am not  sure about incorrect, there is a valid argument that Chase is actually more impactful than Burrow right now.  Burrows rookie year was not alot of wins, but as soon as Chase was drafted, we started winning. Both are great players but Burrow did not have winning success as a QB until Chase came on team. so i  think you do need more than a very good QB to have team success 

Follow the convo dude. The 'incorrect' statement by me is me suggesting Burrow has influenced the team's recent success more than ownership of which Eric1 is steadfast in saying ownership is currently winning at owning an NFL team. So if you're saying "I am not sure about incorrect" then you'd be posting about ownership as more important than Burrow. Instead, you went on some random ass tangent by going on about Chase as more important to recent success than Burrow.

[TecmoBengals]

(3 hours ago)rfaulk34 Wrote: You gotta have the "Bell cow quarterback". 

Nah, just have trust in the Brown family as model owners of a sport franchise that is clearly a recent dynasty in the making.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(3 hours ago)TecmoBengals Wrote: Follow the convo dude. The 'incorrect' statement by me is me suggesting Burrow has influenced the team's recent success more than ownership of which Eric1 is steadfast in saying ownership is currently winning at owning an NFL team. So if you're saying "I am not sure about incorrect" then you'd be posting about ownership as more important than Burrow. Instead, you went on some random ass tangent by going on about Chase as more important to recent success than Burrow.

Burrow derangement syndrome

[TecmoBengals]

(2 hours ago)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Burrow derangement syndrome

That plus holy shit, properly follow the conversation!

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2025/06/rookie-notes-stewart-eagles-browns

Quote:If Stewart decides to speak out after signing a deal, the Bengals organization could cite a breach of the “[p]layer’s obligation of loyalty to Club and/or undermines the public’s respect for the Club, Club coaches, or Club management.” The organization could look to make Stewart forfeit guarantees in this scenario.

https://www.si.com/nfl/49ers/news/what-49ers-should-offer-bengals-shemar-stewart

Quote:...and they're trying get Stewart to sign a contract that he probably shouldn't sign.

That's because the Bengals can void all of the guarantees in his contract if he "makes any public comment . . . that breaches Player’s obligation of loyalty to Club and/or undermines the public’s respect for the Club, Club coaches, or Club management," according to Pro Football Talk.

That means they can take guaranteed money away from him if he says something publicly about the Bengals that they deem unflattering. Ridiculous. His agent can't let him sign that deal. No player should have to agree to that.

Carl Pickens Clause 2.0, except now instead of the Bengals FO trying to take back some signing bonus they're going after all current and future guarantees.

[THE PISTONS]

(3 hours ago)Nepa Wrote: In reference to the side discussion on the number of injuries the Bengals faced last year, here is a chart from late December (two weeks to go in regular season):

https://www.sportsinfosolutions.com/2024/12/26/which-nfl-teams-have-been-most-and-least-impacted-by-injuries/

It is based on the premise of "While the sheer amount of injuries a team has to deal with certainly takes its toll, most of the time the quality of players being lost is the more important variable."

In this chart, the Bengals ranked 11th in terms of having the most impactful injuries last year. Not good. But I would point out that the Detroit Lions were absolutely wrecked by injuries last year (which grew even worse after this chart was made), and they still managed to end 15 and 2. It really speaks to the need for the Bengals to invest both in quality depth and have a system whereby the team is not devastated by a few key injuries.

The defense actually seemed to improve as guys got hurt. We also won more late in the year.

That kind of debunks the injuries destroyed the season narrative.