Welcome Barrett Carter

[NATI BENGALS]

About damn time. We haven't drafted LB since 2020. So I'm happy the guy who went 3/3 last time we drafted LB is restocking the shelves.

[lone bengal]

I actually like what there doing. Wilson and Knight will probably start and Pratt will be gone. Burks age 30 has always been more of a backup type player so him and Carter can work there way in as an LB  3. Golden like's to run 3 LB sets that more than Lou vs heavy sets Lou like 5 D-lineman. Carter has 12.5 career sacks so he can rush the passer to. You play in a conference with Lamar Jackson, Mahomes and Josh Allen who all like to run we have LB's that can run and chase. Win with the front 7 vs. the run and we have a lot of resources invested at CB and Offense.

[Truck_1_0_1_]

(04-26-2025, 02:39 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I take Shaka over Meta myself.

That's fair. Maema has Burfict-esque instincts though, I would take that over athleticism any day of the week.

They're both bottom on the roster guys though, so we'll see how the competition goes

[Soonerpeace]

(04-26-2025, 02:24 PM)Synric Wrote: The NFL on average runs 11 personnel 65% of the time. That means defenses mostly run 425 to matchup. Bengals took 4 stack linebackers in 2019/2020 they were still a heavy 425 defense.

This

[Clark W Griswold]

Another position that needed an infusion of speed/talent.
Also hit the guard position but still worried about the safeties. Hope for improvement this season. Golden must think Stone is OM back there.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(04-26-2025, 02:53 PM)phil413 Wrote: Yeah if you don't set the edge you can't clean up or blitz well.  Also, how many times did we watch Lou send the same 4 with the occasional telegraphed 5th rusher?  Stewart has experience moving around the line and we drafted 2LBs that have some blitz ability.  Have to love the multiple looks. 

Truth. This should be a much more aggressive Defense under Golden where you don't know where the rush is coming from but with a 
lot less of the Ends dropping into coverage which usually never works out unless the End can cover a bit.

(04-26-2025, 02:54 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Golden is impressed with Shaka, so I think you may be right. Meta is a big hitter, but he doesn't have great speed. I think he's on the PS. 

So is Hodges the LB caoch, he mentioned Logan, Burks and Shaka, but not Pratt or Meta. 

Telling to me especially after drafting Knight and Carter.

[BengalsBong]

(04-26-2025, 02:24 PM)Synric Wrote: The NFL on average runs 11 personnel 65% of the time. That means defenses mostly run 425 to matchup. Bengals took 4 stack linebackers in 2019/2020 they were still a heavy 425 defense.

The AFC north is built different than the rest of the NFL always has been.

You got to stop the run in our division, and we got to win in the AFC north to make it back to the playoffs.

So, we need to have the players that can line up in 4-3

[*Synric*]

Dane Brugler's write up about Barrett Carter.

Quote:BACKGROUND: Barrett Carter, who has two older sisters, grew up in Chicago. His parents (Barrett Carter Sr. and Alexis) moved the family to Suwanee, Ga., a northeast suburb of Atlanta, when he was 7. He started playing football at age 5 but blossomed in the sport after the move to Georgia. Carter's first love was baseball, and he was also active in basketball (his dad has a basketball background). Playing primarily running back and wide receiver, he quickly established himself as one of the top players in the North Gwinnett Youth football program and in middle school.

Carter attended North Gwinnett High. He initially played on the freshman team before moving up to varsity later in the year (as a running back) and helping the program capture the 2017 7A state championship (first state title in school history). Despite his objections, the varsity coaches moved him to linebacker as a sophomore in 2018 (Carter: "I hated defense, I had never really played it before.") — he finished with 51 tackles and seven tackles for loss. As a junior, Carter led North Gwinnett to 12 wins and the 2019 regional title, finishing with 73 tackles and 10 sacks. In a pandemic-shortened senior season, he did a little bit of everything on of f ense (wildcat quarterback, running back and wide receiver) and defense (linebacker and safety). Carter was named National Defensive High School Player of the Year with 49 tackles, 11 tackles for loss, five sacks and a 79-yard interception return for a touchdown. He rushed for 429 yards (9.3 average) and 10 touchdowns, made seven catches for 68 yards and threw a 13-yard touchdown pass.

A five-star recruit, Carter was the third-ranked linebacker in the 2021 recruiting class and the No. 3 recruit in Georgia. He was the 33rd-ranked recruit nationally, one spot behind his future Clemson teammate Will Shipley. Carter received his first scholarship of f er (Temple) after his freshman season in May 2018. His recruitment blew up after his sophomore season, when he received of f ers from Alabama, Auburn, Notre Dame and Texas A&M. Carter received more than 60 scholarship of f ers in all before narrowing his final choice to Clemson, Georgia and Ohio State. After his visit to Clemson, he committed to head coach Dabo Swinney in May 2020. Carter, who had been recruited by former defensive coordinator Brent Venables, was the second-ranked recruit in Clemson's 2021 class. He was a three-time ACC Honor Roll honoree and graduated with a degree in sports communications (Dec. 2024). Carter declined his invitation to the Senior Bowl.

STRENGTHS:
● Sudden speed and closes on the ball like a ravenous predator
● Frequently makes stops outside the numbers with perimeter range
● Quick to key on blocking scheme and flow to appropriate gap
● Able to slam on brakes mid-sprint to corral cutback angles
● Broken-tackle rate dropped from 20.5 percent in 2023 to 10 percent in '24
● Doesn't have any trouble turning and running with backs on wheel routes
● Tracks quarterback's eyes to get his hands in passing lanes (21 career passes defended)
● Rarely leaves the field (93 defensive snaps on the 2024 Pitt tape)
● Was a regular on punt coverage each of past three seasons (360 career punt/kickof f coverage snaps)
● Embraced veteran role in 2024 (defensive coordinator Wes Goodwin: "No one's more respected.")
● Missed only two games because of injury during four seasons at Clemson (52 games played)  

WEAKNESSES:
● Longer arms than expected for his size but doesn't consistently use them ef f ectively
● Needs to be more purposeful and well-timed with hands to shed road blocks
● Usually ends up where blockers want him to go
● Straight-line tendencies; looked slightly heavier and tighter on the 2024 tape
● Overcommits to gaps, leaving him late to scrape laterally and answer lane-changing runners
● Attacks high with only average finishing force, giving powerful runners the chance to escape his grasp
● Awareness in zone coverage brings both highs and lows
● Texas tight end Gunnar Helm bullied him at top of route
● Explosive downhill blitzer but needs clear lanes to be ef f ective and lacks pass-rushing instincts
● Missed one game as sophomore after suf f ering concussion (Oct. 2022)  

SUMMARY: A three-year starter at Clemson, Carter lined up as a MIKE linebacker in defensive coordinator Wes Goodwin's scheme (he was originally recruited to play the "Cheetah" position that Isaiah Simmons popularized while with the Tigers). He rarely came of f the field (59.4 defensive snaps per game the past three seasons) and posted steady production.

A speedy run-and-hit athlete, Carter is one of the best open-field pursuit defenders in this draft class and has genuine sideline-to-sideline range.
Though he tracks the ball well, he will run himself into roadblocks and needs to widen his vision and improve his take-on hands to avoid becoming Velcroed to blockers.

Overall, Carter plays with the type of pursuit speed that can be weaponized as both a run defender and cover man, although he might be too reactionary and undersized for what some NFL schemes desire. At the very least, he will be lightning on special teams coverages while fighting for footing on the linebacker depth chart.

GRADE: 4th round

[Joelist]

I think we will be (like Golden already said) using 4-3 looks more often and we did not have the horses in the barn to do that credibly before. Now we do.

[*bfine32*]

To be fair, this is probably my least favorite pick. I would have taken Jack Sawyer, but he must not fit what Golden wants to do.

[HarleyDog]

(04-27-2025, 04:19 PM)bfine32 Wrote: To be fair, this is probably my least favorite pick. I would have taken Jack Sawyer, but he must not fit what Golden wants to do.

I've read this a lot. Even though I don't follow college ball, from what I'm reading, Sawyer was the better pick. Plus, Jack Sawyer just sounds cool.   

Plus, here's the takeaway. Mike Brown loves Ohio players. What gives here?

[Soonerpeace]

4. Myles Murphy on his former Clemson teammate Barrett Carter; selected in round four:
“He’s going to give it his all and go 100 mph an hour on every play. Whether it’s linebacker, special teams, rushing the passer, dropping in coverage — he’s going to put his body on the line.” pic.twitter.com/SLsKYsgfcZ

— Dan Hoard (@Dan_Hoard) April 28, 2025

[NATI BENGALS]

(04-29-2025, 10:35 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote:

4. Myles Murphy on his former Clemson teammate Barrett Carter; selected in round four:
“He’s going to give it his all and go 100 mph an hour on every play. Whether it’s linebacker, special teams, rushing the passer, dropping in coverage — he’s going to put his body on the line.” pic.twitter.com/SLsKYsgfcZ

— Dan Hoard (@Dan_Hoard) April 28, 2025

Getting Paul Alexander vibes...

You're an old man Peters ffs... Stop relying on how strong a guy feels when you personally put hands on. 

Look at the film and not how they finesse a ketchup bottle and/or how they feel when you squeeze their biceps.

Is that how we think Andy Reid and Belichick do/did it? I pushed him and he didn't move so we must draft him?

[SunsetBengal]

(04-30-2025, 01:29 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Getting Paul Alexander vibes...

You're an old man Peters ffs... Stop relying on how strong a guy feels when you personally put hands on. 

Look at the film and not how they finesse a ketchup bottle and/or how they feel when you squeeze their biceps.

Is that how we think Andy Reid and Belichick do/did it? I pushed him and he didn't move so we must draft him?

Some might say that he was just "kicking the tires".. 

[Soonerpeace]

(04-30-2025, 01:29 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Getting Paul Alexander vibes...

You're an old man Peters ffs... Stop relying on how strong a guy feels when you personally put hands on. 

Look at the film and not how they finesse a ketchup bottle and/or how they feel when you squeeze their biceps.

Is that how we think Andy Reid and Belichick do/did it? I pushed him and he didn't move so we must draft him?

I think you will find Scott Peters turns out to be a significant hire. I personally think Pollack was the worst coach on the entire staff. If Fairchild and Patrick start our protection for Joe will go up exponentially. They rarely give up sacks. They’ve had to tailor an offense that has quick developing receiver routes. I expect a lot more open receivers and more long pass plays.

[*rfaulk34*]

He has an All Pro NFL name, so there ya go. 

[*bengalfan74*]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/what-draft-experts-said-about-new-bengals-lb-barrett-carter/ar-AA1EbWJr?ocid=msedgntp&pc=ASTS&cvid=62af6b96f8a4458f816ea5dc580b142f&ei=28

I think Carter is a guy who could start seeing a fair number of snaps for situational defense and ST before the season is over.

[Luvnit2]

I did not see a 40 time foor him at the combine. Anyone know how fast he is?

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

I really did not like any pick we made in terms of risk (Stewart), value/reach and opportunity cost (Knight & Fairchild), or redundancy/positional needs (Carter, Rivers, Brooks).

But that does not mean I have beef with the players themselves. Carter in the 4th is perfectly fine in and of itself.

It appears Golden thought we needed serious upgrades to the LB room. We signed Burks and Giles-Harris in FA and drafted Knight and Carter.

I just think the triple dip at LB (quadruple if you count Giles-Harris), G, and RB was a bit much when we did nothing at S, DT, CB, and TE (counting Gesicki as WR, though I guess we brought Grandy back).

But that has nada to do with Carter the player. But LB4 is not where I'd have been looking. LB5 with Pratt still here.

But, doing it at LB does make the most sense (or G), especially if we run more 4-3 and/or 3-4.Though waiting this long to cut Pratt, and probably not being able to reinvest his $$ elsewhere puts a bit of a damper on things. Not done yet, though, hopefully.

[Goalpost]

His stats are well rounded in his time at Clemson. 233 tackles, 33 TFL, 12 1/2 sacks, 21 pass defended, 3 ints.