Way too Early 53 Man Roster Guesstimate

[Soonerpeace]

(04-29-2025, 11:48 AM)CottonHill Wrote: So you think Jordan Battle will be cut and Myles Murphy will be traded for a mid to late rounder? I would say there is 0% chance of either happening. Also, Battle is a better athlete than Geno Stone. 
I told everybody here that Stone was an awful signing, same with Rankins. 
Now I do agree they HAVE to sign possible starters at safety and OG. If not, this team is worse than last year and we are just spending money to keep the fanbase that's already in place(the Tee signing makes us no better). 

I like the fact they drafted two linebackers, Pratt is 100% gone. And they wont be stretched as thin in Goldens defense. 
Hopefully the coverages are simplified so our guys can just play. 
If that happens and we get some development out of Shemar and Murphy, and the two second year DTs, then we could be dangerous. 

I’m with you. Fairchild will start and Patrick. Fairchild gave up 1 sack in 838 pass block snaps. Patrick gave up 8 sacks in 8 years as a pro. He’s given up zero sacks in his last 893 snaps. Those trades ain’t happening. I thought Stone was a bad signing as well. The offense will be improved. The defense will be improved. They won’t start slow.  

[TJHoushmandzadeh's Shiny Shoes]

Offense = 25

QB (2): Burrow, Browning
RB (4): Brown, Perine, Moss, Brooks
WR (5): Chase, Higgins, Iosivas, Burton, Jones
TE (4): Gesicki, Sample, Hudson, Grandy
OL (10): Brown, Fairchild, Karras, Ford, Mims, Rivers, Volson, Lee, Patrick, Kirkland

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Defense = 25
DL (10): Hendrickson, Murphy, Stewart, Ossai, Hill, Slaton, Jenkins, Jackson, Sample, Johnson
LB (5): Wilson, Knight, Carter, Burks, Heyward
CB (6): CTB, Hill, Turner, Newton, Ivey, Wilson
S (4): Stone, Battle, Anderson, Anthony
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Special Teams = 3
PK: McPherson
P: Rehkow
LS: Adomitis

[*ochocincos*]

(04-29-2025, 09:36 AM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Right, Pratt is as good as gone. And I'd say there's also a good chance they release Volson so they can up Trey's contract.

What I need help understanding is what has gone so far south that Pratt is being labeled as not valuable by the team?
Is it just the missed tackles?
Is it being in the wrong place?

I know he had 18 missed tackles last year, according to PFR, but he never had more than 10 any year prior.
In most years, Pratt and Wilson have had about the same number of missed tackles.

I figured with the addition of Burks plus Wilson and Pratt, starting LBs were pretty set this year, and they would only add a mid-round or late-round LB who can act as depth for this year before Pratt departs in FA next offseason.
The addition of two LBs in the first four rounds indicates the problem with Pratt is far worse than (I) expected.

[coachmcneil71]

(Yesterday, 12:36 PM)ochocincos Wrote: What I need help understanding is what has gone so far south that Pratt is being labeled as not valuable by the team?
Is it just the missed tackles?
Is it being in the wrong place?

I know he had 18 missed tackles last year, according to PFR, but he never had more than 10 any year prior.
In most years, Pratt and Wilson have had about the same number of missed tackles.

I figured with the addition of Burks plus Wilson and Pratt, starting LBs were pretty set this year, and they would only add a mid-round or late-round LB who can act as depth for this year before Pratt departs in FA next offseason.
The addition of two LBs in the first four rounds indicates the problem with Pratt is far worse than (I) expected.

Listen to how he speaks to Ossai after the loss in the AFC Ship in KC. Pretty sure that's a big part of the problem. If I was Ossai, Pratt and myself would have had a serious "talk" once we "hit" the locker room. 

They probably would like to trade him, but it takes two to tango, and the rest of the league knows this. Most teams will just patiently wait for his release. 

[*ochocincos*]

(Yesterday, 12:51 PM)coachmcneil71 Wrote: Listen to how he speaks to Ossai after the loss in the AFC Ship in KC. Pretty sure that's a big part of the problem. If I was Ossai, Pratt and myself would have had a serious "talk" once we "hit" the locker room. 

They probably would like to trade him, but it takes two to tango, and the rest of the league knows this. Most teams will just patiently wait for his release. 

That was what, 2 years ago?
I would hope that's changed since then plus he apologized after he did it, but if he had another passionate blow up since then, I could see the desire to move on.

From what I thought I heard though, he just has viewed himself and wants to be considered a 3-down LB, but Golden may not consider him to be.
I just don't view him as bad of a performer though as I think some are making him out to be.
Dude still had 80 solo tackles and 143 combined tackles last year, both the most in his career.

I personally would have gotten a DT instead of 2nd LB in the draft, but I assume Golden is far more confident in the DT room compared to the LB room based on how the draft went.

Goodberry said in his draft grades video that when Bengals were picking in the 2nd round, Knight was top of their board, Ratledge was 2nd, and Carter was actually 4th. Not sure if that was just from what he heard from someone inside or actually true, but if true, that's crazy they would have two LBs in arguably a bad LB class that high on their board as BPA at 49.
Goodberry also mentioned they had Walter Nolen higher on their board than Stewart for 17 but he went 1 pick before.

[*bfine32*]

(04-29-2025, 11:27 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Kirkland? 

I think it will be between him and Volson while we try to place the other on the PS. But as bad as Volson has been I think someone will see the value in him as an NFL Starter 

[coachmcneil71]

(Yesterday, 05:32 PM)ochocincos Wrote: That was what, 2 years ago?
I would hope that's changed since then plus he apologized after he did it, but if he had another passionate blow up since then, I could see the desire to move on.

From what I thought I heard though, he just has viewed himself and wants to be considered a 3-down LB, but Golden may not consider him to be.
I just don't view him as bad of a performer though as I think some are making him out to be.
Dude still had 80 solo tackles and 143 combined tackles last year, both the most in his career.

I personally would have gotten a DT instead of 2nd LB in the draft, but I assume Golden is far more confident in the DT room compared to the LB room based on how the draft went.

Goodberry said in his draft grades video that when Bengals were picking in the 2nd round, Knight was top of their board, Ratledge was 2nd, and Carter was actually 4th. Not sure if that was just from what he heard from someone inside or actually true, but if true, that's crazy they would have two LBs in arguably a bad LB class that high on their board as BPA at 49.
Goodberry also mentioned they had Walter Nolen higher on their board than Stewart for 17 but he went 1 pick before.

The main theme or one thing that consistently stands out with the draft and in FA is that most if not all of these guys are good at stuffing the run. Makes sense considering last years run defense. 

Yeah, those three picks just before ours were pretty damn inflating. Not knocking Stewart, but that was a solid three piece and a biscuit to the ole gut there at #13 - #16.