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(Yesterday, 07:14 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote:
I saw this earlier and thought it was an interesting comparisons.
What's his floor? Producing an avg. of 1.5 sacks per year and 11 TFLs over a 3yr span that gives him the lowest TFL production of a drafted DE since 2000. I would say his floor is pretty dang low. I'm more curious what his ceiling is? A mid level player? Is that what we took such a risk for?
Why didn't we take Jihad if we want to take a risk atleast we have the hope of a game changing playmaker at linebacker. I also think this is the end of Trey i don't see a world we use two 1st rd picks at a position and still pay a player a premium salary at said position. I mean we our the worst organization in the NFL. It's bad enough we apparently plan to force Trey to play out his final year but now we are gonna ask him to play it with the 1st rd pick. No other team in the league does this. Mind numbing how dumb we are.
But I have seen as far as play time is Murphy will share time with Trey at RDE and he has looked best there while Ossai, Sample and Stewart share LDE.
I have no idea how you made a prediction for what you would consider Stewart a good pick? That was the question.
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(Yesterday, 07:14 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: That goes both ways.
For instance...one of the most respected guys in the business, Dane Brugler, listed him as the 3rd best edge and 9th best prospect.
I posted Dane Brugler's write up for Shemar Stewart in The Beast on page 8 of this thread. (Just bumping it since we are what 17 pages deep now lol).
https://thebengalsboard.com/thread-40442-page-8.html
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(Yesterday, 07:09 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I did not crap on him, but I really did not do my homework on the guy and did not like the pick. I have done some reserach and watch videos and read up on him and I wnet from heck no, to I am getting excited.
We have a brand new DC and DL coach and we just gave them a very expensive toy, a toy with all the bells and whistles at a position group we needed to address due Hubbard retiring and Trey contract situation.
I like this take a lot. I’ll be honest because I did defecate all over this pick at first and while I’m not yet excited about Shamar Stewart I’m no longer yelling, “WTF, Duke?” every ten minutes.
You see, I too did some research and what I found is Shamar was not playing at Texas A&M to sack quarterbacks. His job was to seal the edge on run plays and eat up running backs bouncing off tackle. These things he did very well.
We have to stop Lamar Jackson and Nick Chubb four times a year and players like Shamar can do it. The Bengals’ run defense hasn’t exactly been stellar and this pick will help stop the leaks.
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(Yesterday, 07:07 PM)wanga Wrote: +1 The most negativity I’ve seen on the kid is on here. Most of the reports on him are good that I’ve seen. Mock drafts had him going around this spot.
One of the commentators said something along the lines of Mike Tomlinson having a saying ‘if these players didn’t need coaching up I’d be out of a job’
Seems fair to let him hit the field and see what he’s got.
Yes but he needs to learn a better get off, more balance and controlled rushing, to develop a better pass rush plan, to use his hands better and also to expand his play awareness.
The thing that scares me is he has done okay at pressure rate. But he has failed to finish because he's often out of control in his rush. So if he tries a more controlled approach then does his pressure rates drop?
I mean he didn't even remember meeting the Bengals. I guess we met with him at the combine but how much homework could we have realistically done if he doesn't even remember the meeting.
I don't mean to be a Debbie downer but we have to look at this honestly. The Bengals are just not good at drafting. Which especially sucks because we way overvalue draft picks and think we can easily replaced the NFL sack leader with a guy that is not very good because he's a 1st rd pick.
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(Yesterday, 07:14 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: That goes both ways.
For instance...one of the most respected guys in the business, Dane Brugler, listed him as the 3rd best edge and 9th best prospect.
So did Todd McShay, #3 Edge, #7 overall.
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(Yesterday, 05:11 PM)bfine32 Wrote: FWIW, I dreaded the pick:
https://thebengalsboard.com/thread-40238.html
Well, that was interesting. The draft day thread, as pick 17 approached, was all these posts on "just don't take Stewart." It was good to see you advocating for him back in March.
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(Yesterday, 07:14 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: That goes both ways.
For instance...one of the most respected guys in the business, Dane Brugler, listed him as the 3rd best edge and 9th best prospect.
Frank doesn’t respect that one.
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(Yesterday, 07:20 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I have no idea how you made a prediction for what you would consider Stewart a good pick? That was the question.
I thought you asked what his floor was? A prediction of his TFLs and Sacks and how the playtime would shake out?
I would guess about 20-30 snaps a game 300-400 snaps this year. 3 TFLs and 1 Sack 8 solo tackles.
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(Yesterday, 07:22 PM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: I like this take a lot. I’ll be honest because I did defecate all over this pick at first and while I’m not yet excited about Shamar Stewart I’m no longer yelling, “WTF, Duke?” every ten minutes.
You see, I too did some research and what I found is Shamar was not playing at Texas A&M to sack quarterbacks. His job was to seal the edge on run plays and eat up running backs bouncing off tackle. These things he did very well.
We have to stop Lamar Jackson and Nick Chubb four times a year and players like Shamar can do it. The Bengals’ run defense hasn’t exactly been stellar and this pick will help stop the leaks.
That is what I figured out with research as well.
Lamar is hard to hit squarely, but would love Stewart to face plant him on one of his runs hopefully tracking him down from behind.
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(Yesterday, 07:14 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: That goes both ways.
For instance...one of the most respected guys in the business, Dane Brugler, listed him as the 3rd best edge and 9th best prospect.
And he is in the minority
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(Yesterday, 07:37 PM)pally Wrote: The young man is aware of his weaknesses
I agree Pally. A player will never improve if they don't feel the need to improve. He is very self aware of his weaknesses.
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(Yesterday, 07:31 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: I thought you asked what his floor was? A prediction of his TFLs and Sacks and how the playtime would shake out?
I would guess about 20-30 snaps a game 300-400 snaps this year. 3 TFLs and 1 Sack 8 solo tackles.
I thought I asked for what it would take for fans to say he was a good pick the next 3 years?
If not, my apologies. I blame on old age and my meds.
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(Yesterday, 07:29 PM)Nepa Wrote: Well, that was interesting. The draft day thread, as pick 17 approached, was all these posts on "just don't take Stewart." It was good to see you advocating for him back in March.
I raise my hand. I am extremely guilty before and after.
I did a poor job on research and trusted those saying he was a workout warrior and bad football player.
Upon further review, I changed my position so feel free to slap me. 
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(Yesterday, 07:17 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I don't think many fans accept or like the business side of the NFL and most are clueless. I mentioned in another thread TJ Watt is also asking for an extension. Maybe team is waiting to see what Steelers offer their 31 year old former sack leader. They should have similar demands.
I hope we do something, but I think we are being unrealistic to expect Bengals to rip up a contract they agrred upon 2 years ago. Blame his agent, nit the Bengals for being good business people.
As far as reputation until recently we rarely cut players or made them take a pay cut. MB was known for being very loyal. I ask you, what did it do for us on the football field or attracting players to come here. FA's will come here if you put a winning team on the field and won't if you don't. They will come if you give them a fair contract, not the rest of the team.
If Trey is demanding 32 million in 2025, if I am Katie I tell the agent when you get serious about an extension call me, but right now we are not close to being on the same page.
If Katie and the team had their mind in the right arena, they would have already set Trey up with an extension prior to the market busting deals that came out after the conclusion of the league year. It's not Trey's fault that other teams are paying more for guys who did less than him.
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(Yesterday, 07:43 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I thought I asked for what it would take for fans to say he was a good pick the next 3 years?
If not, my apologies. I blame on old age and my meds.
No it was probably my fault I read the 1st part and skimmed the rest. I'm just bummed because the draft is a time of hope and excitement and I just can't find any with Stewart. To me to be happy looking back in 3 years he will need to develop into a 5-10 sack a year guy who causes a couple splash plays a year. If he can have #s like that his 3rd year i would say he met our expectations.
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At least they didn't select a RB 
The measurables are there and we have a new defensive coaching staff. I can't hate that they picked the right position, risky (as usual), I will reserve judgement until preseason.
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(Yesterday, 05:22 PM)TJ528 Wrote: Which is why i said there's rumors the Bengals offered $32M a year....but they arent going to give him $80M upfront of that contract. Not a chance.
I'm guessing that's the hang up if they offered him $32M.
I don't think they offered him anywhere close to 32 but who knows.
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Golden likes this pick and says Bengals D needed him. Taylor likes this pick. So it really doesn't matter the people on this site that don't like the pick. Go to Bengals.com and see Golden and Taylor happy to get him. I'll take the coaches opinion over the always negatives on this site,
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(Yesterday, 06:20 PM)George Cantstandya Wrote: TJ Watt had 11.5 sacks, 16 TFL, 63 combined tackles (38 solo) his second (last year) in college. Stewart had 4.5 sacks, 12 TFL, 65 combined tackles (30 solo) in 3 years of college. I'm not joining the Stewart hate train, but I don't see that as similar.
True, but they also played vastly different positions and had different roles on their teams.
I am very curious to see how Stewart performs as a true edge rusher. He has traits that should translate very well,.
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