Worse draft in the Burrow Era

[*Au165*]

(Yesterday, 11:00 AM)Synric Wrote: Stewart gives the Bengals a base end opposite of Trey that can handle wide and tight alignments. Even though they are gonna be a 425 defense you can see where they can run odd fronts with Stewart having the size to handle double teams from a Tackle/TE as a 5t. 

You mentioned Safety on Day 2? It's possible but I think they are going to be looking for a Penetrating 3T (& a guard of course). I would also like to see them add one another pass rusher Day 3 maybe even a Tweener like Collin Oliver or Josaiah Stewart to give teams different rush looks.

I think a safety on day 2 is almost a slam dunk. If I had to guess a position that slides it's DT. DT you start asking is anyone you get now really a better prospect then the two you took one day 2 last year? I am not sure if they are at this point, I do like TJ Sanders but we will see. I think they were intrigued with some of the guys at the top but not sure they are going to layer more depth in at DT with like prospect. I also think they will want to do something on the backend today.

Guard...I think they have a plan for a FA if today doesn't fall right so I really don't think they are stressing there.

[Squintz]

(Yesterday, 11:26 AM)ochocincos Wrote: Yep valid.
Stewart is 21 years old, turning 22 in November.
So he's still young too, but not as young as Hunter was coming into the league.

I have far more concern with dudes who are 24-25. There usually isn't much more growth that happens for them.

Yeah, he definitely still has time to put it together.

[*Synric*]

(Yesterday, 11:38 AM)Au165 Wrote: I think a safety on day 2 is almost a slam dunk. If I had to guess a position that slides it's DT. DT you start asking is anyone you get now really a better prospect then the two you took one day 2 last year? I am not sure if they are at this point, I do like TJ Sanders but we will see. I think they were intrigued with some of the guys at the top but not sure they are going to layer more depth in at DT with like prospect. I also think they will want to do something on the backend today.

Guard...I think they have a plan for a FA if today doesn't fall right so I really don't think they are stressing there.

Xavier Watts & Nick Emmanwori are probably the only two safeties high enough on their board at #49.

I'm hoping for a WR, CB, Edge run with maybe a couple more QBs so the Bengals can get their choice of the Guards or Watts.


Edit: As for DT I'm hoping they add someone with a different skill set than everyone else in the room. Omar Norman-Lott if he's there at #81 is one of my guys. He's a 5 year player but never had more than 290 snaps in a season. Dude does one thing rush the passer.

[*PhilHos*]

(Yesterday, 02:03 AM)NotBigzo Wrote: We’ve learned nothing and Stewart will be right there with Jackson Carmen and Myles Murphy.

Steelers took Harmon. Cowboys took Banks. Falcons took two great edge rushers, and Philly got Campbell.

I hate it here.

Way to solidify that your opinion is worth jack. I'm not a fan of the pick either, but "worst draft in the Burrow era" after 1 draft pick? GFTOH

[*Au165*]

(Yesterday, 12:10 PM)Synric Wrote: Xavier Watts & Nick Emmanwori are probably the only two safeties high enough on their board at #49. 

I'm hoping for a WR, CB, Edge run with maybe a couple more QBs so the Bengals can get their choice of the Guards or Watts.

I really like Watts to give us a true center fielder that we have missed since Bates. 

[Stewy]

(Yesterday, 10:02 AM)Sled21 Wrote: I think he'll be good. But man they sure blasted the pick on ABC

They did not.  FFS I was watching the ABC coverage last night and they said nothing more than we have said here.  Puts on pressure constantly, athletic freak, low sack numbers, bit of a project.

That's not blasting.  just because they didn't sploog all over the pick like some, didn't mean they blasted it.

[*Synric*]

(Yesterday, 12:12 PM)Au165 Wrote: I really like Watts to give us a true center fielder that we have missed since Bates. 

I see him closer to Reggie Nelson. More of a split field guy than true center fielder but with better than average range and high playmaking instincts. 

Andrew Mukuba is my Jessie Bates prospect if he was just slightly bigger.

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

The pick was better than the OP's grammar.

Worst, not worse.

Worse is for comparing two things. This was worse than that. Or, X was bad,,but Y was worse.

Worst is for stating how bad something compated to everything else. Nothing is worse than Y, Y is the worst.

Apologies for my Grammar Nazi post, I hate them when I mess up. But that one is a pet peeve. 

[MTBengalsFan]

Dan Patrick has an overreaction Monday during the season. The OP would fit right in. Can we see how the rest of the draft goes?

[*ochocincos*]

(Yesterday, 09:55 AM)ERIC1 Wrote: 1) and so we have the sack leader on our defensive line and how has that panned out for us..we got no penetration ..could not stop the run ..but Trey got his sacks.
2) you fail to mention the 40 pressures that were inches away from a sack
3)physically he is a beast ..he has improved every year..is quick to the quarterback and he might just flourish in the NFL

Hey, an inch or two can make all the difference.
That's what my wife tells me anyway.

[*jason*]

(Yesterday, 10:45 AM)Bengalitis Wrote: Lou Anamuro did amazing things with the D, his loss will likely be evident this season... hope for the best, prep for the worst.

Too early for the "worst" draft, but so far... nothing to get excited about and more to be a bit worried. Especially for a 1st round pick, since they are typically the easier picks.

The only thing that amazed me about Lou was that he kept his job as long as he did. His defenses were mediocre on their best days.

[Bengalitis]

(Yesterday, 02:02 PM)jason Wrote: The only thing that amazed me about Lou was that he kept his job as long as he did. His defenses were mediocre on their best days.

The only times we've gone to the playoffs is when we had a good defense. Lou, if you want to consider it this way, was lucky to be one of those few DC to have one damn good defense, heck, all the way to the SB.

Keep in mind that the offense came up short in the last drive to win it, not the D's inability to stop them and losing the game. 

Without a good D, we arent going anywhere far.

[Truck_1_0_1_]

(Yesterday, 10:47 AM)Au165 Wrote: I actually would like to reference something from listening to the coaches talk. They mention a lot about him being able to rush from any alignment. I wonder if we won't see him rush from inside on passing downs and see a "NASCAR" package like the old Giants would run. We could go Ossai and Trey on the edges and Murphy and Stewart inside. You let the two raw but physically gifted guys try to rush against worse athletes while you give your more polished guys a shot on the edge.

The fact they mentioned it multiple times about him being able to align anywhere, I wonder if their belief is they will just move him to whichever matchup is most favorable each week and let him give it a go there? It could be interesting. He has reps rushing from every inside technique including the 0/1 in college.

(Yesterday, 11:00 AM)Synric Wrote: Stewart gives the Bengals a base end opposite of Trey that can handle wide and tight alignments. Even though they are gonna be a 425 defense you can see where they can run odd fronts with Stewart having the size to handle double teams from a Tackle/TE as a 5t. 

You mentioned Safety on Day 2? It's possible but I think they are going to be looking for a Penetrating 3T (& a guard of course). I would also like to see them add one another pass rusher Day 3 maybe even a Tweener like Collin Oliver or Josaiah Stewart to give teams different rush looks.

It's great to see actual football minds discuss this pick, so thank you guys.

[Stewy]

(11 hours ago)Bengalitis Wrote: The only times we've gone to the playoffs is when we had a good defense. Lou, if you want to consider it this way, was lucky to be one of those few DC to have one damn good defense, heck, all the way to the SB.

Keep in mind that the offense came up short in the last drive to win it, not the D's inability to stop them and losing the game. 

Without a good D, we arent going anywhere far.

The D didn't stop the Rams on their last drive, putting it in to the Off's hands.  

If you're going to try and sell a point at least try to look at it from both sides.

[Bengalitis]

(11 hours ago)Stewy Wrote: The D didn't stop the Rams on their last drive, putting it in to the Off's hands.  

If you're going to try and sell a point at least try to look at it from both sides.

we had more offensive power than defensive power. sure, burrow-teegins and chase were green, but they could have done it, they just came up short, it is what it is...
 
Rams D was > than our Offense

[Stewy]

(11 hours ago)Bengalitis Wrote: we had more offensive power than defensive power. sure, burrow-teegins and chase were green, but they could have done it, they just came up short, it is what it is...
 
Rams D was > than our Offense

On avg, I agree, but the issue wasn't that players were green, it was the OL being as porous as a sieve.  Joe was still making plays when he had more than a second to throw and Jamar was beating the best CB in the league on almost every play.  Their green'ness had little to do with the result.  But now we're picking nits.

[Bengalitis]

(11 hours ago)Stewy Wrote: On avg, I agree, but the issue wasn't that players were green, it was the OL being as porous as a sieve.  Joe was still making plays when he had more than a second to throw and Jamar was beating the best CB in the league on almost every play.  Their green'ness had little to do with the result.  But now we're picking nits.

We secured all 3 and we have a running back, if we can get the D upgraded.. it may be a good season.

[Stewy]

(11 hours ago)Bengalitis Wrote: We secured all 3 and we have a running back, if we can get the D upgraded.. it may be a good season.

Yep.  We'll have to see what Al and his coaches can do.

What I will say and am excited about in regard to Al, is that he took a rag tag bunch of avg to good quality defenders and turned them into a top 3 defense in the nation.  They dominated until they ran into an excellent OSU offense that just plain out talented them.  In other words he developed talent and got them working together.  I'm hopeful he can do the same for us.  :)

[PDub80]

(Yesterday, 10:45 AM)Bengalitis Wrote: Lou Anamuro did amazing things with the D, his loss will likely be evident this season... hope for the best, prep for the worst.

Too early for the "worst" draft, but so far... nothing to get excited about and more to be a bit worried. Especially for a 1st round pick, since they are typically the easier picks.

I think Lou did amazing things until he got figured out by the league and then couldn't adjust to several things. The biggest being how to develop younger guys into vacated veteran roles.

AL'S big thing is development. Believe it or not, I'm excited to see how ALL of the younger guys develop and play under Golden, Stewart included. Look, Stewart has EVERYTHING you could want to work with. I just thought the guy the Steelers got looked like a sure thing home run. Same with the Eagles pick.

[Destro]

No one has really sold me on this being a good pick, but good lord it is not like they drafted a three round punter or something. Willing to give it a chance.