(03-11-2025, 12:18 AM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Yeah, I don't like this much. I like what Scott Peters has done and I like the way he talks but get a damn proven Guard instead 
of trying to make something out of nothing. Volson and Ford HAVE shown they are backups at best.

(03-11-2025, 08:53 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: I’d love to add Teven Jenkins and/or Jedrick Wills. Both seem worthy of a reclamation project opportunity.

(03-11-2025, 06:00 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Lets be honest qe dont get to SB and Div. Championships without a solid defense, i wish someine remembers that soon

(03-11-2025, 08:41 PM)Nepa Wrote: The comment on twitter was:

"BREAKING: The Cincinnati Bengals have agreed to trade star Trey Hendrickson to the Green Bay Packers in exchange for a 2025 3rd round pick. The reigning sack leader heads to Green Bay where he’s expecting to sign a long term deal. (per@AdamSchefter"

But, it appears to be some random, made-up, fake-news post. As one person pointed out, Adam Schefter apparently has no such information on his feed. ... And it was posted 8 hours ago

(03-11-2025, 07:08 PM)jj22 Wrote: ATL s out

(03-11-2025, 09:20 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Reclamation project for Jenkins?
He's been a good guard the past few years.
Never allowed >17 total pressures or 4 sacks in a season at Guard.

(03-11-2025, 09:20 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Reclamation project for Jenkins?
He's been a good guard the past few years.
Never allowed >17 total pressures or 4 sacks in a season at Guard.

(03-11-2025, 06:16 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: What do you mean Bengalbug?

(03-11-2025, 09:23 PM)samhain Wrote: He's got all of the physical traits.  Injuries are the issue.  He doesn't have serious ones, but he has them kind of a lot.

(03-11-2025, 09:20 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Reclamation project for Jenkins?
He's been a good guard the past few years.
Never allowed >17 total pressures or 4 sacks in a season at Guard.

(03-11-2025, 08:41 PM)Nepa Wrote: The comment on twitter was:

"BREAKING: The Cincinnati Bengals have agreed to trade star Trey Hendrickson to the Green Bay Packers in exchange for a 2025 3rd round pick. The reigning sack leader heads to Green Bay where he’s expecting to sign a long term deal. (per@AdamSchefter"

But, it appears to be some random, made-up, fake-news post. As one person pointed out, Adam Schefter apparently has no such information on his feed. ... And it was posted 8 hours ago

(03-11-2025, 09:14 PM)samhain Wrote: I don't buy it.  This team does some dumb shit, but they are also as stubborn as can be.  No way on the world they let him go for a 3rd.

(03-11-2025, 09:17 PM)phil413 Wrote: Much appreciated yeah that's wack.

(03-11-2025, 09:22 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: The Bengals are not going to trade Hendrickson for a 3rd round draft pick.  They would get a 3rd round comp pick if they kept him until his contract was up.   Hendrickson only costs the Bengals 16 million to keep him this season so it makes no sense to trade him for a 3rd round pick.

It seems to me Trey and his agent overvalued his worth across the league.  The Bengals now might not have the money to pay him their original offer since they expected to lose him and used 7 million of their cap to bring Ossai back.  If Hendrickson had signed the Bengals offer do they spend the 7 million on Ossai instead of looking at a deep draft?  Trey's agent might have screwed Trey over on this one.  Trey may have to lower his price for everyone including the Bengals offer unless he wants to play for 16-18 million this season and try again next year.

(03-11-2025, 09:23 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I was watching a show and one mentioned the Eagles was the best place for Tee. Rosen is not afraid to give up a first round pick and they also have a llotof picks they could add to the #1.

I hope we keep Trey. Amother broadcaster acted like if we got a 2nd or 3rd for Trey, we should take it.

Is our FO's job to help others win or us win?

(03-11-2025, 07:17 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: They'd need restructured.

Well, if Chase gets 40 million, it won't be for this year. It's upcoming years.

(03-11-2025, 07:35 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: You can't take a contract signed and assume the cap hit is applied equally over the term of the deal. You also can't use the maximun number as a basis. If. guy signs a 3 year maximum contract at 30 million, it does not mean the cap hit is 10 million year 1, 10 milion year 2 and 10 million year 3. The cap hit is based on the guaranteed cash in the deal. So in the example of 3 years at 30 million, if only 60% is guaranteed at signing, the true number is closer to 18 million for 3 years versus 30 million.

A great place to do research is Spotrac. Go to the site and look up John Jefferson's contract. You would think hs cap hit is 30 to 35 million in year one. It was 8.6 million in 2024 and then went to 15+ million in year 2. This was do to signing bonuses which the tea can choose how to allocate them, they could give a huge bonus and wait until year 2 or 3 to count it against the cap.

We will add cap space if we give Tee a long term contract. In 2025 his tag would cost the team 26.2 milion. But if we trade him, we gain 26.2 million. If we sign him to a 4 year deal, his cap hit in year one will go down to anywhere between 5 to 15 million. So if it is 5 million, we gain 21 in cap space.

Chase also we will gain cap space if he is given a long t erm contract. The Bengals have a ton of cap space in future years, over 230 million in 2026 alone so they cn easily afford to push the cap into later years for Tee and Chase. They can also restructure Joe B. and lower his cap hits. Derrick Carr just did a restructure for the Saints pushing his cap hit to later years.

I am not an expert, but others are. I learn by looking at contracts and calculating how they assign the cap hit.

Check out Jefferson's contract and how they applied the cap hit for a huge contract.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/47616/justin-jefferson

Long post, but complicated ways teams stricture deals to afford players now.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/_/year/2025/sort/cap_maximum_space2

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/cap/_/year/2024/sort/cap_total

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/cap/_/year/2025

(03-11-2025, 09:38 PM)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: Thanks for the post. I understand the basics of varying up the cap hit year to year.

What I'm wondering is how much cap space we have, and some sort of example of how we could re-sign all three and make it work under the cap this year.

If I were to see an example of how it would work then it would be easy to see how much excess they have to spend if any.

(03-11-2025, 09:33 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: Hendrickson has had how long to negotiate with other teams?  It doesn’t seem like there is a report of another team offering any more/less than the bengals . I bet Trey comes back and either plays out this year, or re-signs for less than what bengals originally offered.

(03-11-2025, 07:39 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: it makes players mad in the locker room. I know people dont believe that or want to hear it, but its true

(03-11-2025, 07:46 PM)XsandOs Wrote: Expressing your opinion is not going to insult anyone's intelligence. Unless you feel that your opinion is educated and there is a lack thereof in the counter.

I will say that nothing divides a Team worse than a few players viewed as the the elite within the Team. That is not just toxic, but tumorigenic. Further fuel is added to the fire, when displeasure from the elite affects the Team performance. We should have been ready for the Patriots game last year!!!

As related to politics, the prevalence of hubris and pomposity coupled with egocentrism is one of the main culprits in the divisions. This is not the forum to discuss politics, so I will not further the discussion. 

There is no shortage of criticism directed towards the ownership and front office of the Bengals, historically and currently - which is fair. But this situation we are in now is beyond ridiculous. I feel that criticism of both parties is fair.    

(03-11-2025, 09:47 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: If they sign Higgins to a long term deal, they likely gain at least 16 million If they trade him, they gain 26 million so lets' say we sign him to a long deal.

Chase, if we extend him, we can gain 12 million.

Burrow, if we restructure him we can gain and 25 million.

So, we keep all 3 and we gain 53 million additional cap dollars for 2025.

We currently have around 28 million after all of the re-signing and adds in FA whch incudes our 2025 draft pick allocation.

28 + 53 = 81 million left to extend Trey (don't have to do it, he is under contract) and spend another 50 million to build the trenches at guard and at DE/Edge

We have a ton of money if we push to future years. But, how much will they be willing to push down the road?

(03-11-2025, 08:00 PM)Stewy Wrote: A large contingent constantly bashing on the FO.......
A large contingent arguing about Trey's value......back and forth.......
A large contingent running into the thread to tell all those fighting back and forth what deal just got signed that will affect Trey trade value.....and all three contingents arguing about it back and forth

Pretty much a bunch of repetitive posting. sharing nothing of value at all.

Kinda like my response to you I suppose.

(03-11-2025, 08:53 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: I’d love to add Teven Jenkins and/or Jedrick Wills. Both seem worthy of a reclamation project opportunity.