(06-17-2025, 01:24 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: To quote James Rapien, I'm more bullish on the OL than most, I still think Fairchild will be great out of the box and if Patrick can hold up in pass protection, we will have a dominant offense again.

RG is the only thing that is concerning, IMO: the rest of the OL is more than fine.

(06-17-2025, 05:40 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: No one said you need superstars. But a 3rd round rookie, and a battle between Cody Ford and Lucas Patrick does not exactly fill me with confidence. Wish I was as hopeful about the IOL as some of you seem to be.

Time will tell.

(06-17-2025, 11:03 PM)bfine32 Wrote: It's really not that hard, just be hopeful. Doesn't cost anything and you'll be more optimistic and perhaps happier. 

(06-16-2025, 05:31 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I, for one, was hoping they would have been more active in FA this past year, signing a better OG instead of Patrick and a different DE to replace Hubbard.

I personally wanted James Daniels instead of Lucas Patrick (or could have added LP as well, just not as a planned contender to start).
Daniels is just as versatile as LP, showing ability to play all IOL spots between college and NFL.
He signed for just 3 years, $24 mill with just $10.75 mill guaranteed.
That could have been swung easily in hindsight seeing how much cap the Bengals ended up having.

I also wanted Chase Young as a Hubbard replacement/insurance if Hendrickson leaves. CY opposite TH would have been arguably a (big) improvement over the question marks they have now.
Young signed for just 3 years, $51 mill with $33 mill guaranteed.
Bengals could have done that instead of using a draft pick on Stewart, instead putting that toward another position like a pass-rushing DT in Derrick Harmon or SAF to replace Stone after this season.

But now we see all this cap sitting around waiting for the Bengals to do something with it, hoping at this point it goes toward Hendrickson because why else did they hold onto it instead of using it to fill out the team better in FA?

(06-17-2025, 10:49 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Someone states the offensive line is better than the super bowl line. 

There's no way to know if this iteration will be better than the super bowl line because they haven't played a snap together. Yet, a declarative statement was made that this line is better than the super bowl line. Please show me tangible evidence that this line is better than the super bowl line, even though they've never played a snap, in a real NFL game together. 

This line and my take on the FO screwing the pooch is aples and oranges. One has zero evidence to support it (this line) and one has conclusive, proven evidence (the FO). They are not remotely the same. You should be able to see this fact, that they're not the same, without me having to point it out to you. This is very simple, basic logic. It's doesn't take an advanced degree to understand. 

Can anyone have an opinion other than me and my minions? First off, who are my minions? I wasn't aware i had any. If you're talking about the people that agree with my statements, and you're wondering if anyone who doesn't agree with my opinions and facts can have an opinion of their own...yes they can. If their opinion differes from a statement i present, that's backed by verifiable evidence and facts, then their opinion is going to be patently wrong. 

Lastly, i've already clearly stated that all opinions are not created equal, on more than one occasion, so your question isn't really necessary if you're paying attention to the discussion that is going on. 

NEWS FLASH!!! This coming offensive line could very well be much better than the super bowl line and maybe even one of the best in the NFL. It's possible, not necessarily probable, but possible. But there's no way you can conclusively state that they are better, because they have not played in an official NFL game together yet.

Do you disagree that you can't say they'll be better, since there's no way to measure that?

(06-17-2025, 02:21 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: This OL is much much better than the one who played LAR

(06-17-2025, 11:03 PM)bfine32 Wrote: It's really not that hard, just be hopeful. Doesn't cost anything and you'll be more optimistic and perhaps happier. 

(06-17-2025, 05:40 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: No one said you need superstars. But a 3rd round rookie, and a battle between Cody Ford and Lucas Patrick does not exactly fill me with confidence. Wish I was as hopeful about the IOL as some of you seem to be.

Time will tell.

(06-17-2025, 09:15 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Hyperbole again. Literally no one has ever said that.

No one.

(06-17-2025, 10:49 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Someone states the offensive line is better than the super bowl line. 

There's no way to know if this iteration will be better than the super bowl line because they haven't played a snap together. Yet, a declarative statement was made that this line is better than the super bowl line. Please show me tangible evidence that this line is better than the super bowl line, even though they've never played a snap, in a real NFL game together. 

This line and my take on the FO screwing the pooch is aples and oranges. One has zero evidence to support it (this line) and one has conclusive, proven evidence (the FO). They are not remotely the same. You should be able to see this fact, that they're not the same, without me having to point it out to you. This is very simple, basic logic. It's doesn't take an advanced degree to understand. 

Can anyone have an opinion other than me and my minions? First off, who are my minions? I wasn't aware i had any. If you're talking about the people that agree with my statements, and you're wondering if anyone who doesn't agree with my opinions and facts can have an opinion of their own...yes they can. If their opinion differes from a statement i present, that's backed by verifiable evidence and facts, then their opinion is going to be patently wrong. 

Lastly, i've already clearly stated that all opinions are not created equal, on more than one occasion, so your question isn't really necessary if you're paying attention to the discussion that is going on. 

NEWS FLASH!!! This coming offensive line could very well be much better than the super bowl line and maybe even one of the best in the NFL. It's possible, not necessarily probable, but possible. But there's no way you can conclusively state that they are better, because they have not played in an official NFL game together yet.

Do you disagree that you can't say they'll be better, since there's no way to measure that?

(06-18-2025, 07:55 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Ford actually played well last year.

(06-17-2025, 11:42 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: But the D that played LAR was tons better. D has fallen off WAY more than the O has improved. 

(06-18-2025, 07:55 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Ford actually played well last year.

(06-18-2025, 08:02 AM)Sled21 Wrote: So since this line has never played together and there is no way to say they're better than the Super Bowl line, then how can one say "We aren't winning the Super Bowl with this line? If one is an unknown, certainly the other is as well. 

(06-18-2025, 09:33 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: At tackle. He’s not nearly as good at guard.

(06-18-2025, 09:45 AM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Guard is his natural position trust me as he’s a Sooner. 

(06-17-2025, 10:11 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: They've never played a snap together. How do you know they're better?

(06-17-2025, 10:49 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Someone states the offensive line is better than the super bowl line. 

There's no way to know if this iteration will be better than the super bowl line because they haven't played a snap together. Yet, a declarative statement was made that this line is better than the super bowl line. Please show me tangible evidence that this line is better than the super bowl line, even though they've never played a snap, in a real NFL game together. 

This line and my take on the FO screwing the pooch is aples and oranges. One has zero evidence to support it (this line) and one has conclusive, proven evidence (the FO). They are not remotely the same. You should be able to see this fact, that they're not the same, without me having to point it out to you. This is very simple, basic logic. It's doesn't take an advanced degree to understand. 

Can anyone have an opinion other than me and my minions? First off, who are my minions? I wasn't aware i had any. If you're talking about the people that agree with my statements, and you're wondering if anyone who doesn't agree with my opinions and facts can have an opinion of their own...yes they can. If their opinion differes from a statement i present, that's backed by verifiable evidence and facts, then their opinion is going to be patently wrong. 

Lastly, i've already clearly stated that all opinions are not created equal, on more than one occasion, so your question isn't really necessary if you're paying attention to the discussion that is going on. 

NEWS FLASH!!! This coming offensive line could very well be much better than the super bowl line and maybe even one of the best in the NFL. It's possible, not necessarily probable, but possible. But there's no way you can conclusively state that they are better, because they have not played in an official NFL game together yet.

Do you disagree that you can't say they'll be better, since there's no way to measure that?

(06-18-2025, 11:06 AM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Yes they have ,  you have four players on the line that played together last year,

(06-18-2025, 07:57 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Say what you want, post histories says different.