(06-17-2025, 08:55 AM)Sled21 Wrote:
You guys are blandly dismissing every word he says as well, and are stuck in your tunnel vision view of the always fallible FO doing what is absolutely wrong. 
Did you ever stop to think that other teams have the same salary cap to deal with, but have vastly richer owners who can more easily put the guaranteed cash in escrow accounts? The Browns are nowhere near as rich as most other NFL owners. Even though they all have to spend the same percentage of the cap on player's contracts, coming up with liquid assets is likely harder for them than it is the Krafts, Jones, Hunts, etc. 
Everybody has an opinion and his is as good as yours or Faulks or anyone else's. I swear, some of you guys hate the Brown family so much I really don't even understand why you root for this team.

(06-16-2025, 05:44 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Again you are assuming you know better about the talent available right now than our FO. It is bad business and policy to spend money for the sake of spending money. But more so as I pointed out, they still with 6 weeks from TC have a ton of money left to extend Trey and sign the 2 draft picks and complete the roster.

If the Bengals did find a team willing to trade a stud, they could easily find more cap money by retsruturing Joe. But in my opinion it is dumb to do so unless you have the great player in your sights versus a possible wanna be signing.

OK, Eagles won the Super Bowl and also had a huge roster turnover. Has Detroit won anything yet? No, they have not won the NFC or made a Super Bowl so it could be argued they wasted money last year that could have been used in 2025 and beyond.

I know I am in the minority with a healthy Joe Burrow, we have a shot every year at winning the AFC and the Super Bowl. You don't think so and that is OK as well.

If they get Trey signed, we have a better shot, not great odds wise, but better so I. hope they get it done. 

(06-17-2025, 10:22 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: This is 100% accurate. They can't win the argument so they attack the intelligence of those who disagree. They totally ignore all counter points, then when the are ignored throw a hissy fit.

(06-17-2025, 09:30 AM)TecmoBengals Wrote: How do you not recognize this is just an emotional charged argument rooted in nothing because some fans approach their fandom differently than you? It's a total thought-control type of statement that people should engage their fandom the way you want. If it's a simple matter of you truly not understanding, it isn't that hard to narrow down the reasoning: people have high standards for the teams they follow, this is a message board with free flowing ideas, and people are uniquely different. These are just some reasons why it is easy to get the "why" behind people having a strong disliking for the Brown family approach to running an NFL team.

You've recently posted that you're not as supportive of Trey. He is member of the Cincinnati Bengals. Using your own logic, I could claim that if you aren't pro-Trey, one of the guys we actually watch on Sundays, as opposed to ownership, then "I don't even understand why you root for this team." I wouldn't make that statement because it's nonsensical. I'm guessing you're already swirling thoughts around as to why it's different to oppose the player and not the ownership when the only difference is owners have longevity with a franchise that exceeds the player's time with the team.

Fine, whatever, think people are total dumbasses for disliking the Brown family way of doing NFL business, but's not hard to understand.

(06-17-2025, 09:31 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Here's the thing, they don't need to be the wealthiest owners in the league, in order to achieve apex level cap and roster management. They need to be doing more to attract outside investment into the team, that is where they will find the liquid cash that seems to be lacking.

(06-17-2025, 09:48 AM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Very fair but historically do you get the feeling that the Brown’s reputation of being cheap is unwarranted? Really it comes down to being more conservative than cheap. Burrow, Tee, and Chase say hi. I’ve used this analogy several times. The Brown’s are like a poker player in your group. He folds all the time but when he’s got a really good hand he’s all in. This causes everybody to fold. So he never loses much at poker night but seldom wins much either. 

(06-17-2025, 10:00 AM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Remember, our functional cap space is gonna be around $9 mil less than whatever figure is bouncing around on OTC/spotrac. 

You have to count 53 instead of 51 (+$2 mil-ish), you have to count the practice squad (+$3-$4 mil), you have to count guys on IR (All, over $1 mil), and you have to remember Stewart and Knight are signed yet, so they are not top 51 atm (+$1-2 mil over replacement). 

Our REAL cap space is more like $22-$23. 

And remember, those rewoeked deals did not save us much, cap wise. Volson's cap hit went from $3.8 to $3.1. Moss's a little more savings, but he is still $3.1 as well, and I *think* hexwas right around $4 mil to start. 

Point being, we could have saved twice what we did by cutting one of them. And we could still net nearly $2.5 mil by cutting Volson. 

I agree that now, we are unlikely to cut either after the renegotiations, but it is just bad cap management to pay RB3-4 and OG 4, who are just barely aboce practice squad level, over $6 mil a year. 

It is even sillier when you draw a line in the sand with the best pass rushing DE in the league. Sure, in a perfect world, I'd like to keep everyone for better depth. But if I have to choose, I would need to think hard, or long. Pay Trey, move on from the overpriced, underperforming depth. 

Heck, if I could turn that Moss/Volson $$ into a reliable starter level player elsewhere (Hernandez, Risner, Scherff, Blackmon) I think that would have been money much better spent. Don't you? 

(06-17-2025, 10:00 AM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Remember, our functional cap space is gonna be around $9 mil less than whatever figure is bouncing around on OTC/spotrac. 

You have to count 53 instead of 51 (+$2 mil-ish), you have to count the practice squad (+$3-$4 mil), you have to count guys on IR (All, over $1 mil), and you have to remember Stewart and Knight are signed yet, so they are not top 51 atm (+$1-2 mil over replacement). 

Our REAL cap space is more like $22-$23. 

And remember, those rewoeked deals did not save us much, cap wise. Volson's cap hit went from $3.8 to $3.1. Moss's a little more savings, but he is still $3.1 as well, and I *think* hexwas right around $4 mil to start. 

Point being, we could have saved twice what we did by cutting one of them. And we could still net nearly $2.5 mil by cutting Volson. 

I agree that now, we are unlikely to cut either after the renegotiations, but it is just bad cap management to pay RB3-4 and OG 4, who are just barely aboce practice squad level, over $6 mil a year. 

It is even sillier when you draw a line in the sand with the best pass rushing DE in the league. Sure, in a perfect world, I'd like to keep everyone for better depth. But if I have to choose, I would need to think hard, or long. Pay Trey, move on from the overpriced, underperforming depth. 

Heck, if I could turn that Moss/Volson $$ into a reliable starter level player elsewhere (Hernandez, Risner, Scherff, Blackmon) I think that would have been money much better spent. Don't you? 

(06-17-2025, 10:04 AM)MTBengalsFan Wrote: The Browns are not as wealthy as other owners,  but the salary cap percentage means they should have pocketed between $180-$230 million over each of the last 5 years. Yes, they need money to live, but if they are "frugal" and spend $25 million per year, they would have pocketed well over $500 million, just in the those five years.

As others have previously pointed out, God forbid they sold a 10% share, it would immediately solve any cash problems.

(06-17-2025, 08:55 AM)Sled21 Wrote: You guys are blandly dismissing every word he says as well, and are stuck in your tunnel vision view of the always fallible FO doing what is absolutely wrong. 
Did you ever stop to think that other teams have the same salary cap to deal with, but have vastly richer owners who can more easily put the guaranteed cash in escrow accounts? The Browns are nowhere near as rich as most other NFL owners. Even though they all have to spend the same percentage of the cap on player's contracts, coming up with liquid assets is likely harder for them than it is the Krafts, Jones, Hunts, etc. 
Everybody has an opinion and his is as good as yours or Faulks or anyone else's. I swear, some of you guys hate the Brown family so much I really don't even understand why you root for this team.

(06-17-2025, 08:55 AM)Sled21 Wrote: You guys are blandly dismissing every word he says as well, and are stuck in your tunnel vision view of the always fallible FO doing what is absolutely wrong. 
Did you ever stop to think that other teams have the same salary cap to deal with, but have vastly richer owners who can more easily put the guaranteed cash in escrow accounts? The Browns are nowhere near as rich as most other NFL owners. Even though they all have to spend the same percentage of the cap on player's contracts, coming up with liquid assets is likely harder for them than it is the Krafts, Jones, Hunts, etc. 
Everybody has an opinion and his is as good as yours or Faulks or anyone else's. I swear, some of you guys hate the Brown family so much I really don't even understand why you root for this team.

(06-17-2025, 09:31 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Here's the thing, they don't need to be the wealthiest owners in the league, in order to achieve apex level cap and roster management. They need to be doing more to attract outside investment into the team, that is where they will find the liquid cash that seems to be lacking.

(06-17-2025, 09:59 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Why am I nt permitted to express my opinion on an opinion based board? Sorry, but I don't agree with you or others who blatently trash the FO. I don't buy or agree with all of the arguments. 

You call it tunnel vision, yet ignore why I disagree. What does that say for you and others.

Last, I am nt going tso be bullied to join your negative circle jerk against the FO, I should not have to defend my thoughts to a modrerator who shares a different opinion. Very disappointing to be treated this way.

(06-17-2025, 10:22 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: This is 100% accurate. They can't win the argument so they attack the intelligence of those who disagree. They totally ignore all counter points, then when the are ignored throw a hissy fit.

(06-17-2025, 11:45 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: You're 100% allowed to express your opinion. You're also allowed to be called out on it, as is everyone else that posts here. 

(06-17-2025, 11:38 AM)Synric Wrote: The Roonies who run the Steelers are also not rich as most NFL owners but the they are admittedly a better run organization. 

(06-17-2025, 11:43 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Yep. Any number of people have already posted about what they could have done, factual based info with the cap in mind. They don't need to be oil tycoons to have built a better team, in previous years or this year. 

(06-17-2025, 10:18 AM)Timanky12 Wrote: Opinions are like assholes, everyone’s got one. I have been criticized for my opinion, but it’s mine. 

(06-17-2025, 10:54 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Man, if it's as easy as that I'm surprised you don't have your own team.