(12-09-2024, 03:27 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: And with an earlier draft pick we could trip and fall into another great talent. If we win out it could really screw this up. Not all Drafts
are like the Chase, Sewell, Pitts Draft where regardless you can get a great player. The difference between picking in the top 10 to 18 
is huge.

(12-09-2024, 03:48 PM)Nepa Wrote: I can understand the reasoning behind preferring losses to get a better draft pick. It makes logical sense. It's just seems impossibly hard to watch a game and actively root against the Bengals players. Maybe if one didn't watch the game, and just looked at the result, one can feel happy with a loss. But when watching, its very hard not to cheer on Burrow doing well, and Chase doing well, and Hendrickson getting sacks, etc. It's hard to watch to watch the Bengals players trying to win and root against them. And I don't want to waste a week not watching a game. 

(12-09-2024, 03:02 PM)Ell Prez Wrote: I’m not sure how getting better players through the draft, which we really rely on. What if we didn’t pick #5 when we took chase. What if we were 6 or 7. What if we were 2 and missed burrow. Higher draft pick is always better, without a doubt. Regardless if you pick a player that busts. Please give me a reason why winning is going to help the team next year? What good did going 9-8 last year do?

(12-09-2024, 04:59 PM)2MinutesHate Wrote: Ask Mark Davis what perpetual losing does for a team.  I would say teams are much better off if they win games/lower draft position then if they lose games/higher draft position.  The Patriots (of the 2010's) and modern day Chiefs pretty much have never had a high first round pick, but they had a winning culture.   

Keep losing games and nobody wins.  Not even Burrow with his great stats.  

Turning the 2024 Bengals into an even more embarrassing piece of crap is not the answer to success.

(12-09-2024, 04:59 PM)2MinutesHate Wrote: Ask Mark Davis what perpetual losing does for a team.  I would say teams are much better off if they win games/lower draft position then if they lose games/higher draft position.  The Patriots (of the 2010's) and modern day Chiefs pretty much have never had a high first round pick, but they had a winning culture.   

Keep losing games and nobody wins.  Not even Burrow with his great stats.  

Turning the 2024 Bengals into an even more embarrassing piece of crap is not the answer to success.

(12-09-2024, 05:44 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: The old Patriots and the modern day Chiefs knew and know how to Draft well with their FO is the difference. If we get an earlier pick than 
18 it is much more likely we hit on the pick rather than at 18. Mims was a great pick but as we have seen, he is the outlier with Murphy the 
year before. I understand what you are saying but picking early can get us a much better talent then later, just a fact.

We aren't going to the Playoffs this season unless numerous miracles happen, what is the point in winning? To keep Lou around?

(12-02-2024, 12:42 PM)Ell Prez Wrote: It’s a sad day for the 2024 bengals fandom. The season is over, although I said it was over after week 1 loss. But I was wrong. I thought that loss meant we weren’t a Super Bowl team. I didn’t think we weren’t even a .500 or playoff team. Been a rough season. At this point, as fans, we need to root for losses. What good does wins do us? We were in the same position last year, and many including myself, wished to lose out to get higher draft picks. Many on here wanted to win to “gain momentum”. Where was that momentum? I guess it doesn’t work that way if you lack talent. How are the bengals going to add talent? In the way they know best, the draft. So besides making yourself feel good with some pointless wins, what good does it do the team?

The bengals aren’t going to tank on purpose or lose on purpose. And I don’t expect them to. But they can start benching some starters who don’t deserve to be here next year. I’d start with Hubbard, Bell, Stone, Volson, Kappa, Pratt, BJ Hill, Rankins. Play Tee Higgins less,  He’s gone next year anyways.

If any game gets out of hand, bench Burrow and chase. No sense in getting them injured.

(12-10-2024, 01:30 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Well forget about even trying to get top tier FAs if we go 5-12 or 6-11... i think Quality FA is more important at this time in Burrows career than a high draft pick

(12-10-2024, 01:18 PM)sandwedge Wrote: Lou's time has come and gone. 

These players aren't going to quit and rollover for a better draft position. Just give up on their individual goals? Not to mention, quite a few players will be playing for their careers. They are not going to put half ass play on tape. 2MinutesHate, hit it on the head, it just breeds a losing culture where players will want out of their contracts, or not resign here

(12-10-2024, 01:30 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Well forget about even trying to get top tier FAs if we go 5-12 or 6-11... i think Quality FA is more important at this time in Burrows career than a high draft pick

(12-10-2024, 01:44 PM)Nepa Wrote: Good point. As well as the point above about the importance to have a winning culture. Tomlin has never had a losing season with Pittsburgh, so you know they are not drafting early, but here they are this year with the second best record in the AFC. The Chiefs have been drafting late every year and competing for Super Bowls each year. 

In my 55+ years as a Bengals fan, the Bengals have often had what one might consider good draft position, and yet only have had 4 seasons in which they won playoff games. So, there must be something other than good draft position to build a winning team and winning culture.

(12-10-2024, 02:28 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Cannot disagree. Wouldn't surprise me if we won out now. I just wish we started this win streak against the stealers instead of a week 
too late most likely. The team played a good game last night in all 3 phases honestly, even Defense wasn't terrible last night against a 
talented Cowboys team.


The effort last night was there except on the Lamb TD where Hilton broke the wrong way and got beat badly. Still, he played hard after
and made some nice plays. Really liked what I saw from DJ Ivey last night and Ossai.


Cannot disagree with this either. Sure hope we have enough money to sign quality FA after Ja'Marr's contract gets done.

We will need at least a couple quality FA's preferably in the trenches. A Guard and a pass rusher at the very least.


All great points. Need to add more scouts that know how to diagnose talent though to get to where those teams are at.

(12-10-2024, 02:38 PM)sandwedge Wrote: Why is Ivy not playing more? He had a great open field tackle, a pass knocked down. I like him better than CTB

(12-10-2024, 02:28 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Cannot disagree. Wouldn't surprise me if we won out now. I just wish we started this win streak against the stealers instead of a week 
too late most likely. The team played a good game last night in all 3 phases honestly, even Defense wasn't terrible last night against a 
talented Cowboys team.


The effort last night was there except on the Lamb TD where Hilton broke the wrong way and got beat badly. Still, he played hard after
and made some nice plays. Really liked what I saw from DJ Ivey last night and Ossai.


Cannot disagree with this either. Sure hope we have enough money to sign quality FA after Ja'Marr's contract gets done.

We will need at least a couple quality FA's preferably in the trenches. A Guard and a pass rusher at the very least.


All great points. Need to add more scouts that know how to diagnose talent though to get to where those teams are at.

(12-10-2024, 05:24 PM)Lucius Cincinnatus Wrote: The cowboys have quite literally one good player on their offense. Who outside of CeeDee Lamb is above league average in talent on their offense? We gave up 322 yards and 20 points to a back-up QB. We gave up 131 yards to Rico Dowdle. Coming into this game, he averaged 54 ypg coming into the game. The Cowboys are the 28th worst rushing offense in the league. 

I don't think our defense played terrible, but they played at the bare minimum level of acceptability against a back-up QB and bad run game. 

(12-10-2024, 01:30 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Well forget about even trying to get top tier FAs if we go 5-12 or 6-11... i think Quality FA is more important at this time in Burrows career than a high draft pick

(12-10-2024, 11:55 PM)Ell Prez Wrote: That’s a myth. Free agents dont care about how good a team is. they care how good the contract is