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RE: Changing of the guard? - Wyche'sWarrior - 12-02-2024
(12-02-2024, 10:53 AM)ochocincos Wrote: I did not think Ford did well at all, but PFF seemed to think differently.
They gave him a 76.0 pass blocking score with only 1 sack allowed, which was his only pressure allowed.
I saw what looked to be multiple pressures allowed, but they must have credited maybe to Karras or OBJ because they were on stunts.
Here were the pressures allowed (sacks allowed) by each OL according to PFF:
OBJ - 5 (1)
Ford - 1 (1)
Karras - 1 (0)
Cappa - 2 (0)
Mims - 1 (0)
Burrow was sacked 4 times though in the game, yet PFF only put 2 of those on the OL.
I think one was a coverage sack on 3rd down. The one inside the red zone, Joe had time, just nowhere to throw it. He tried to make something happen as usual, but everyone was covered. Maybe that's how pff grades it?
RE: Changing of the guard? - SunsetBengal - 12-02-2024
(12-02-2024, 10:53 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: Exactly. Time to evaluate guys and see where everyone fits in next year.
Good call on the OP, btw..
RE: Changing of the guard? - bengalfan74 - 12-02-2024
(12-02-2024, 10:55 AM)Wyche Wrote: I think one was a coverage sack on 3rd down. The one inside the red zone, Joe had time, just nowhere to throw it. He tried to make something happen as usual, but everyone was covered. Maybe that's how pff grades it?
I wonder if they ever put it on the QB himself? Holding the ball to long kinda thing?
RE: Changing of the guard? - Wyche'sWarrior - 12-02-2024
(12-02-2024, 11:00 AM)bengalfan74 Wrote: I wonder if they ever put it on the QB himself? Holding the ball to long kinda thing?
That's what I was thinking there. I have no problem with Joe trying to create and taking a sack on 3rd down. He didn't get them out of FG range or anything stupid, he just took a sack hoping someone would break open.
RE: Changing of the guard? - Joelist - 12-02-2024
OBJr's injury affected him all game. Probably time to sit him until it is really healed.
On defense the vast majority of the problem was possibly the worst playing of zone by a secondary I have ever seen. At this point they should be open to anything (even going to man) to try to stem this ridiculous type of bleeding.
RE: Changing of the guard? - WeezyBengal - 12-02-2024
(12-02-2024, 11:12 AM)Joelist Wrote: OBJr's injury affected him all game. Probably time to sit him until it is really healed.
On defense the vast majority of the problem was possibly the worst playing of zone by a secondary I have ever seen. At this point they should be open to anything (even going to man) to try to stem this ridiculous type of bleeding.
If he needs surgery just get it out of the way. Seasons over.
RE: Changing of the guard? - bfine32 - 12-02-2024
Cody Ford is a better NFL Offensive Lineman than Cordell Volson and only 18 months older.
RE: Changing of the guard? - Nicomo Cosca - 12-02-2024
(12-02-2024, 10:54 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: You gotta remember that this was his first game at guard as well and he was playing a really good front.
I'm not making excuses but in no way am I giving up on the Cody Ford experiement yet. I'd use the rest of the season to evaluate him at guard.
Ford is a bandaid on a bullet hole. He CAN NOT be considered a serious option as a starter for next season. They need 2 new guards.
RE: Changing of the guard? - Synric - 12-02-2024
(12-02-2024, 10:54 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: You gotta remember that this was his first game at guard as well and he was playing a really good front.
I'm not making excuses but in no way am I giving up on the Cody Ford experiement yet. I'd use the rest of the season to evaluate him at guard.
Ford played Guard in Arizona I believe and not very well but that was a bad team.
RE: Changing of the guard? - bfine32 - 12-02-2024
Line up Bengal starters from "needs to be replaced" from most to least and Ford at LG is standing in the back half of the line.
RE: Changing of the guard? - pulses - 12-02-2024
(12-02-2024, 11:12 AM)Joelist Wrote: OBJr's injury affected him all game. Probably time to sit him until it is really healed.
On defense the vast majority of the problem was possibly the worst playing of zone by a secondary I have ever seen. At this point they should be open to anything (even going to man) to try to stem this ridiculous type of bleeding.
Lou plays way too much ZONE.
RE: Changing of the guard? - pulses - 12-02-2024
(12-02-2024, 02:02 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Ford is a bandaid on a bullet hole. He CAN NOT be considered a serious option as a starter for next season. They need 2 new guards.
2 new guards indeed. I think Cappa was a waste of $$$ IMO.
RE: Changing of the guard? - The D.O.Z. - 12-02-2024
I think, with Cody Ford, some players play better out on the edge than they do “in the phone booth”. He’s fine as a back up swing tackle, but terrible at guard. I’m with others in that we need new guards.
RE: Changing of the guard? - Nicomo Cosca - 12-02-2024
Speaking of guards…
Also, pretty amazing to see Kevin Zeitler leading all guards in Pro Bowl voting in his 13th season in the league.
— Jay Morrison (@ByJayMorrison) December 2, 2024
Zeitler made his first Pro Bowl in 2023.
Other former #Bengals in Top 10:
S Jessie Bates 5th
RB Joe Mixon 6th
*sigh*
RE: Changing of the guard? - pulses - 12-02-2024
Cappa's PFF is actually worse than Volson's. I guess they dont feel comfy replacing both of them right now
RE: Changing of the guard? - jason - 12-02-2024
(12-02-2024, 02:04 PM)Synric Wrote: Ford played Guard in Arizona I believe and not very well but that was a bad team.
Unlike this juggernaut he's playing for at the moment?
RE: Changing of the guard? - TecmoBengals - 12-02-2024
(12-02-2024, 09:57 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Speaking of guards…
Also, pretty amazing to see Kevin Zeitler leading all guards in Pro Bowl voting in his 13th season in the league.
— Jay Morrison (@ByJayMorrison) December 2, 2024
Zeitler made his first Pro Bowl in 2023.
Other former #Bengals in Top 10:
S Jessie Bates 5th
RB Joe Mixon 6th
*sigh*
and speaking of safeties and RBs...
RE: Changing of the guard? - Nicomo Cosca - 12-02-2024
(12-02-2024, 10:32 PM)TecmoBengals Wrote: and speaking of safeties and RBs...
Mixon is whatever. I’ve been happy with Chase Brown. He actually has a higher average between the two.
RE: Changing of the guard? - TecmoBengals - 12-02-2024
(12-02-2024, 10:38 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Mixon is whatever. I’ve been happy with Chase Brown. He actually has a higher average between the two.
Yeah, I'm fine with them moving on from Mixon and him having success doesn't mean the Bengals botched cutting ties with him. I just meant it as a joke since so many things are going wrong this season.
RE: Changing of the guard? - Nicomo Cosca - 12-02-2024
(12-02-2024, 10:41 PM)TecmoBengals Wrote: Yeah, I'm fine with them moving on from Mixon and him having success doesn't mean the Bengals botched cutting ties with him. I just meant it as a joke since so many things are going wrong this season.
Reader was just player of the game for the Lions with 2 sacks, too lol