(06-24-2023, 02:58 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: I agree with the point and premise of your post, but Reader doesn't actually bat down a lot of passes at all.

He did get a bunch in a short stretch last year, but that has been an outlier:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/ReadD.00.htm

(06-24-2023, 12:44 PM)Whatever Wrote: Yeah, I don't think it's really that viable.  I can see Hubbard being used as a standup LB to get another potential pass rusher on the field or some 3-3-5 with Hill-Reader-Murphy as the DL and Trey and Sam as OLB's.

(06-24-2023, 03:20 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: I think he’s valuable despite the lack of sacks in pass rush on passing plays.

9. D.J. READER, CINCINNATI BENGALS

Reader plays a vital role in Lou Anarumo's defense, highlighted by his 85.2 PFF grade in 2022. As a run defender, he has earned grades of 69.0 or better since 2017. He produced a career-high 84.1 PFF pass-rush grade in 2022, registering 32 pressures from 310 pass-rushing snaps.

(06-24-2023, 03:20 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: I think he’s valuable despite the lack of sacks in pass rush on passing plays.

9. D.J. READER, CINCINNATI BENGALS

Reader plays a vital role in Lou Anarumo's defense, highlighted by his 85.2 PFF grade in 2022. As a run defender, he has earned grades of 69.0 or better since 2017. He produced a career-high 84.1 PFF pass-rush grade in 2022, registering 32 pressures from 310 pass-rushing snaps.

(06-24-2023, 11:20 PM)Housh Wrote: Great to see he’s still trending upwards even nearing 30. Dude has 1 big contract coming up. I could easily see 3 years 50M. Which is around 17M per.


I would regularly say no way in hell we give that, but we are so screwed at DT if he leaves we may have to sacrifice Trey H to sign him

(06-24-2023, 11:32 PM)jason Wrote: Hendrickson is coming up on 30 himself. I like both Reader and Trey, but I think they need to be looking for younger and cheaper replacements for both of them.

(06-25-2023, 01:20 AM)Housh Wrote: We’ve got 2 for Trey already



We’ve got NOTHING so far for Reader


If Trey walks i would not cry if Ossai or Murphy was next up. I really like Ossai’s dual use as a run stopper and a pass rusher. He showed us everything we saw in that 1st preseason game. Just wish he could get a couple more sacks. Feel like 3.5 sacks is low even if you were reserve rusher when you were drafted so high

(06-23-2023, 05:49 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I agree with both of the bolded above. Team speed can wreak havoc on offenses.

On a side note, I read Carter (who is fast) added 20 lbs. of muscle. He may be overlooked, but with being mentored by DJ and it seems a desire to get better he could be a breakout player for us in 2023.

(06-23-2023, 03:50 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: I know Lou runs the defense, but Zac said that they want as many pass rushers on the field as possible!

Taylor thinks they can find packages to get all our pass rushers on the field:

It's not letting me copy and paste the article, but it mentions how we have Murphy, Hendrickson, Ossai, and Hubbard, and then DJ Reader mentions how no one remembers sacks in the first quarter but they do remember them in big moments.

He also mentions how pressuring the quarterback to make bad throws or make quick decisions, which I have always argued is sometimes better than a sack, is something that they try do to.

Mike Hilton mentions how it does make their lives easier.

I'm excited for this because, like the Giants showed in the first Super Bowl win over the Pats, a good pass rush is the best way to stop even the most explosive offense in NFL history.

I remember when the Giants had linemen and linebackers standing around the line pre-snap so the Pats never knew where the rushers would come from or who would come.

I'm loving it because, with an improved line, we'll score a lot and force teams to throw the ball to keep up, so a pass rush is very important!

WHO-DEY!

(06-26-2023, 01:43 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: If we can have a top pass rush look out. Amazing the success we have had the last couple years with only Hendrickson as a top 
pass rusher and a poor OL. If the trenches can be great on both sides this is the best team in the league no question. Murphy was 
a steal at 28, he is so strong and has yet to touch his potential. He can learn a lot from Hendrickson before he leaves who is a more
disciplined pass rusher who knows how to use his hands.

If Murphy can learn to go inside the Tackle more often instead of being washed outside he could be a great pass rusher, he is already
a very good run stopper, a lot like Hubbard in this way who is maybe the best run stopping EDGE in the NFL.

Everybody knows how high I am on Ossai. He was just coming on late last season and showing what I thought he could be.

(06-26-2023, 01:54 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: I've been with you on Ossai and I think he'll surprise a lot of teams.

Putting Murphy inside would be nasty and just make our pass rush something to fear on third-and-long because they'd all just be teeing-off.

I mentioned how Murphy is getting stronger and more fit and, at only 21, he still has so much room to grow and get better,

Our defense is going to be exciting this year,

(06-26-2023, 01:54 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: I've been with you on Ossai and I think he'll surprise a lot of teams.

Putting Murphy inside would be nasty and just make our pass rush something to fear on third-and-long because they'd all just be teeing-off.

I mentioned how Murphy is getting stronger and more fit and, at only 21, he still has so much room to grow and get better,

Our defense is going to be exciting this year,

(06-26-2023, 02:11 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: I think a pass rush of Trey, Reader, Murphy and Ossai would be solid. I’m not ready to go all nascar because Watson and Lamar can just take off. I love how Reader collapses the pocket.

(06-26-2023, 02:16 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Hubbard helps with those running QB's. Dude is great at spying the QB.

(06-26-2023, 02:40 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: And I like the hell out of him as a spy. But I don’t think he’s as good as Ossai or Murphy as a pure pass rusher.

(06-24-2023, 11:36 AM)Soonerpeace Wrote: True but Lou is awful versatile and dynamic. I’d expect he’ll find the right pieces to make it more dynamic and versatile with the first 3 rookies drafted.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/film-room/2023/lou-anarumo-cincinnatis-defensive-wizard

(06-26-2023, 08:06 PM)Go Cards Wrote: This is a really bad typo