(10-02-2018, 01:00 PM)thillan Wrote: I did mention two QBs in here, one of which is in his sophomore season lol.

But I see your point, though RG3s was because of injury. I'm not sure everyone thought Dak was the next great QB.. he was just winning behind a great O-line and paired with an elite RB. I didn't hear many saying that.

With respect, you can see the potential in some players. You don't always have to hide your thoughts until the scary "sophomore" season. Mahomes has one of the strongest arms I've ever seen. That's not something that goes away in the sophomore season.. that's a weapon every game. And it makes him REALLY hard to defend.

Watson has big play ability, and a pretty good deep ball. I just think he has great tools to be an MVP-level QB. Again, you don't have to wait 2-3 years to see the tools. He has them. 

I get the point about passing on QBs, but I don't think it's pointless. Teams do it all the time to find comparisons so that they don't make the same mistake. Do you think the Chiefs traded up, even with a solid, proven QB if they didn't see the potential and the comparisons? I'm sure they looked back to see what he looks like. Regardless, if you miss, you do have to move on, but you will have to face that player. So it does haunt you.

(10-02-2018, 12:33 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: LOL..typical Monday morning QB

Rodgers - 22 or 23 teams missed
Brady - Pick #199 so 31 teams missed arguably the best QB ever
Ben R. - 9 teams missed
Wilson - 31 teams missed multiple times
Favre - 31 teams including the Packers missed multiple times

These are just a few of the misses by a lot of NFL teams

Easy after the fact to say the missed, but the Brady Quinns, Ryan Leafs, Akili Smiths, Jack Thompson's and many more prove easier said than done drafting the right QB or any position really.

(10-02-2018, 01:18 PM)McC Wrote: When milk spills, I just wipe it up and move on.  Otherwise, you're just needlessly driving yourself crazy.

(10-02-2018, 01:23 PM)thillan Wrote: Stop spilling your milk

(10-02-2018, 01:26 PM)motoarch Wrote: I’m not sure I agree with any of this.  Our post season issues seem more related to coaching, game planning and poor discipline then anything else.

Andy Dalton’s play has landed us in the playoffs every year of his career for five years running then he had his receivers and online taken away.  Drafting someone to replace him would not have filled a void.  It would only sever to replace a known quantity with an unknown and left the other gaps as they were.

I’m not suggesting andy is a great qb but he’s above average and I think underrated by the sports media.  He’s more than shown his value when give a fair chance.  We are currently 4 or 5 across the nfl in scoring so he’s putting points on the board.  What more do you want from him?

(10-02-2018, 11:41 AM)thillan Wrote: Just wanted to start a discussion about this, and wanted to start off with this:

I LIKE John Ross. His speed is incredible, and he honestly is already one of my favorite Bengals. It's fun to have electric players like him.

I LIKE Andy Dalton. I have never thought of him as a top 5 QB, but I do think he's underrated.. but I don't think he's a world beater either.

I am of the mindset that getting a star QB allows your team to have a MUCH larger SB window. Teams like GB, NE, PHI, NO, etc. always have a chance to at least contend, because the QB is so special.

Now of course, you need to have SOME talent around them. Otherwise you end up with a situation like Seattle. If they just had a decent line, things improve a lot for them.

Which leads me to this: we have a talented team, but many of us worry we have a ceiling that does not call for the SB. I understand, and I also understand "Any Given Sunday." BUT.. we picked a WR with some questions.. and missed out on Deshaun Watson and Patrick Mahomes.

I really think we missed. And both of these guys are in our conference. I get that we aren't in a bad QB situation by any means, but I do think you can change from good to great. And I think we missed our chance.

What are your guys thoughts on this? I really think that having either Watson or Mahomes on our squad, with the talent we have, opens up a bigger window for us. And the future would be REALLY bright.

PS: I know some will say Watson isn't playing that great.. I'd argue against it. His O-line is atrocious, and he's still showing playmaking ability to keep these guys in games. Overall, I think he has much more potential than Andy has ever had, but again, Andy is not a bad QB by any means.

PPS: It's officlal. Mahomes has the second or third strongest arm I have ever seen. And that's a HUGE weapon, every single game.

(10-02-2018, 12:29 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I'll set the over/under on points scored at 87.

(10-02-2018, 02:16 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I don't see the point of a thread like this.

Basically you could make one for every single team every single year.

Everything is simple when you know what the future holds.

(10-02-2018, 11:59 AM)sandwedge Wrote: Funny how fans want to make changes when the team is playing great..... It just boggles my mind...

(10-02-2018, 03:21 PM)Daddy-O Wrote: Kinda like a girlfriend, tend to hold on to them until you can upgrade.  But there's no guarantee the new one is going to be better than the old one long term.

(10-02-2018, 03:02 PM)Joelist Wrote: Mahomes has had a strong start but part of it is the new rules and part he just drew a lineup of teams so far that are singularly unsuited to defend the KC offense. His last game was actually the first time in his career he faced any pressure in the pocket at all and all of a sudden he was a lot more ordinary (plus the refs missing an obvious delay of game didn't help Denver any). Also, when you have Mitch Trubisky throwing for 6 TDs it is obvious there is a league wide problem going on with defenses.