(03-05-2023, 12:45 AM)Essex Johnson Wrote: I think Hurst is gone, he is not worth what others are going to offer it is feeling like CJ from last year.

(03-04-2023, 08:47 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: 4.74 40…… 11th among TEs…….

THANK GOD!

Let’s hope he has a bad second run too!

(03-05-2023, 12:48 AM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: We will see, he is 30 plus, coming off injury, loves it here and it turned around his life and the team wants him back...

(03-05-2023, 12:48 AM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: We will see, he is 30 plus, coming off injury, loves it here and it turned around his life and the team wants him back...

(03-05-2023, 12:28 AM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Thanks OSUfan, as you and I always have a blast come Draft time. So far from what I have been watching of the RT's, Darnell Wright 
is by far the best RT that fits our Gap scheme that I have seen. I can understand going BPA but we don't know our FA right now. If we
are fine with Jackson Carman at RT like Pollack hinted we might be in big trouble. I think Wright is the best plug and play RT in the draft.

All depends on FA as usual, I don't expect big moves like grabbing McGlinchey for RT or anything. This is our biggest need on the team 
with La'el Collins most likely not even going to be decent for at least half our 2023 season...

Need to check out your boy Kraft. 

(03-05-2023, 03:50 AM)Synric Wrote: Dallas Goedert mentioned 10 yard splits for TE because they mostly run 5 to 10 yard routes. 

For Comparison DJ Turner with a 4.26 40 yard Dash ran a 1.47 10 yard split, Zay Flowers ran a 4.42 and a 1.53 10 yard split, and Travis Kelce's Pro Day info lists a 1.61 10 yard split.


Luke Musgrave 1.54
Michael Mayer 1.66
Darnell Washington 1.57
Tucker Kraft 1.59
Sam LaPorta 1.59
Brenton Strange 1.57
Payne Durham 1.61
Josh Whyle 1.61
Will Malory 1.59

(03-04-2023, 10:04 PM)OSUfan Wrote: Well, I think watching these TEs do the individual drills I have shifted my favorites just a bit. Here is how I see them at this point per round and order per round:

Round 1:

1) Darnell Washington - I believe he showed that Ga. should have targeted him more. Complete TE.
2) Luke Musgrave - Several other players would have to be off the board for me to take him at 28. Feel he still needs to get stronger.
3) Michael Mayer - If we could trade down and he was available. Safe selection.

Round 2:

1) Tucker Kraft - I think he is one of the most complete TEs in the draft and will be a year 1 factor.
2) Michael Mayer - If he was still here absolutely

Round 3:

1) Tucker Kraft - if he is here I could not get the selection in fast enough
2) Josh Whyle - If corner and OT have been addressed in rounds 1 and 2.

Round 4:

1) Josh Whyle - Really good value if he is available here
2) Luke Schoonmaker

Round 5:

1) Cameron Latu - I really would have liked to have seen run drills with the others.

(03-05-2023, 03:50 AM)Synric Wrote: Dallas Goedert mentioned 10 yard splits for TE because they mostly run 5 to 10 yard routes. 

For Comparison DJ Turner with a 4.26 40 yard Dash ran a 1.47 10 yard split, Zay Flowers ran a 4.42 and a 1.53 10 yard split, and Travis Kelce's Pro Day info lists a 1.61 10 yard split.


Luke Musgrave 1.54
Michael Mayer 1.66
Darnell Washington 1.57
Tucker Kraft 1.59
Sam LaPorta 1.59
Brenton Strange 1.57
Payne Durham 1.61
Josh Whyle 1.61
Will Malory 1.59

(03-05-2023, 01:04 PM)ochocincos Wrote: And RAS scores for those that value those (ras.football):
Musgrave - 9.95
Washington - 9.90
Mayer - 8.08
LaPorta - 9.25
Kraft - 9.52
Durham - 8.17
Whyle - 8.87
Schoonmaker - 9.75

This looks like a pretty athletic TE class overall.
Mayer will be a very solid TE and he's a safe pick, but I think Washington and Musgrave have a (somewhat) higher ceiling.
In Rds 2-4, LaPorta, Kraft, and Schoonmaker look like they could be good selections.
Duham is too slow to be dynamic but he'll be a great blocker and safety net on underneath routes.
Whyle will be an ok pick on Day 3 as a TE2 type of guy.

(03-05-2023, 01:04 PM)ochocincos Wrote: And RAS scores for those that value those (ras.football):
Musgrave - 9.95
Washington - 9.90
Mayer - 8.08
LaPorta - 9.25
Kraft - 9.52
Durham - 8.17
Whyle - 8.87
Schoonmaker - 9.75

This looks like a pretty athletic TE class overall.
Mayer will be a very solid TE and he's a safe pick, but I think Washington and Musgrave have a (somewhat) higher ceiling.
In Rds 2-4, LaPorta, Kraft, and Schoonmaker look like they could be good selections.
Duham is too slow to be dynamic but he'll be a great blocker and safety net on underneath routes.
Whyle will be an ok pick on Day 3 as a TE2 type of guy.

(03-05-2023, 12:55 AM)Essex Johnson Wrote: 40 times not that impactful anymore especially tight ends it is not ,  besides Kelsce run a 4 6, Kyle Rudolph was like a 4.8 I believe .  Eifert was a 4.68

(03-05-2023, 11:57 AM)TecmoBengals Wrote: Mayer didn't excel athletically at the combine but I suppose his strengths are intelligence, good hands, and route running. I wonder how the Bengals are evaluating the position? Does Mayer not exhibiting the superior athleticism at the combine cause the Bengals to lose interest?

It would be soooo interesting to be in the room when Duke and others discuss the players.

(03-05-2023, 12:59 AM)Essex Johnson Wrote: CJ loved it here too and Bengals wanted him back but $$ talks and Hurst knows this is probably his last chance at a decent payday  that we can't afford. 

(03-05-2023, 09:09 AM)OSUfan Wrote: While he is 30 what most forget is that compared to some other TEs he was lightly used because of who was in front of him at his other stops. There is a lot of tread left on the tires of Hurst.

(03-05-2023, 09:17 AM)OSUfan Wrote: Why would we be in big trouble if Pollack is alright with Carman at RT? I think many are judging him off of his snaps inside at OG. Playing inside is a completely different animal than playing outside and just because you can play OT does not mean you can play OG. I thought his snaps at LT showed far more of the player that was expected to be seen when he was drafted. I also would not read too much into anything that coaches put into the media. They are not going to come out and tell the media that they think a player sucks and that they have to find their replacement immediately.

There are many ways they could go just depending on how the draft falls and I want to see them take the best player sitting there.

(03-05-2023, 11:18 PM)DYT_Bengal Wrote: Im not that impressed by Mayer’s blocking - just throwing that out there.

Sounds like a guy who can make plays that some can’t but might be annoying to have on the team if the play calling has to mask his issues.

If he was a third round pick he’ll yeah, but is that something you want in a first rounder?

You never know though. Burrow likes moxie and the guy has it. Do we even use the TE in blocking?

(03-06-2023, 12:17 AM)WVUHomer Wrote: In the fear of sounding like a rear, are we serious with that question?

A LOT. Our TEs sometimes are 1 on 1 with their best edges.

(03-06-2023, 03:05 AM)Storer50 Wrote: Watching the combine, Darnell Washington looks very good as well.

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