(12-06-2021, 05:28 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Kyler Murray was a Pro Bowler in his 2nd year. His passing stats were augmented with 800+ rushing yards and 11 rushing TDs. 

Also worth noting that both Murray and Allen came into the league for their age 22 seasons as rookies. Burrow's rookie year was his age 24 season. He SHOULD be ahead of them in development at equal points in their careers.

My problem with this whole "schedule" and "house money" talk is it may be for Burrow, but it's not for Taylor. Nobody will say "Year 4, right on track!" with a head coach next year... the Patriots went from Tom Brady, to 8 TD/10 INT Cam Newton, right back to #1 seed in a span of 1.75 years. The reason the Bills were able to be patient with Josh Allen is because McDermott went 9-7 and playoffs with Tyrod Taylor in his first year, and his third year (Allen's 2nd) they went 10-6 and playoffs. (Side Note: I think 2020 might go down as Allen's peak. I think he's a little overrated.)

(12-06-2021, 05:28 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Kyler Murray was a Pro Bowler in his 2nd year. His passing stats were augmented with 800+ rushing yards and 11 rushing TDs. 

Also worth noting that both Murray and Allen came into the league for their age 22 seasons as rookies. Burrow's rookie year was his age 24 season. He SHOULD be ahead of them in development at equal points in their careers.

My problem with this whole "schedule" and "house money" talk is it may be for Burrow, but it's not for Taylor. Nobody will say "Year 4, right on track!" with a head coach next year... the Patriots went from Tom Brady, to 8 TD/10 INT Cam Newton, right back to #1 seed in a span of 1.75 years. The reason the Bills were able to be patient with Josh Allen is because McDermott went 9-7 and playoffs with Tyrod Taylor in his first year, and his third year (Allen's 2nd) they went 10-6 and playoffs. (Side Note: I think 2020 might go down as Allen's peak. I think he's a little overrated.)

(12-06-2021, 10:42 AM)Big_Ern Wrote: Joe is 24 now. He came in at 23 

(12-06-2021, 06:13 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Age 25 season.

All sports have a cutoff date in the season where if you have a birthday before then, it is that age season.

Check out Pro Football Reference and it will show that Burrow is in his age 25 season. His birthday is in 4 days.

(12-06-2021, 01:17 PM)PlayadLc Wrote: andrew russell
@pff_andrewr
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joe burrow vs justin herbert in week 13:

Pff passing grade: Burrow (73.0), herbert (66.0)
clean pocket grade: Burrow (93.0), herbert (77.7)
big time throws: Burrow (4), herbert (1)
drops: Burrow (4), herbert (0)

sure, herbert got the win, but don't be fooled. Burrow was qb1.

(12-06-2021, 06:42 PM)Tony Wrote: I just want to Add, I think a lot of us are selling short what Burrow did playing through that injury. It was swallow bad and he still hung in there blow for blow until the end. There has to be something said for that...

(12-06-2021, 06:41 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: "pFf HaTeS sHeRbErT!!1!!1!!11"

(12-06-2021, 06:36 PM)Big_Ern Wrote: He was 24 majority of the season line he was 23 in eveygane he played last year 

(12-06-2021, 06:42 PM)Tony Wrote: I just want to Add, I think a lot of us are selling short what Burrow did playing through that injury. It was swallow bad and he still hung in there blow for blow until the end. There has to be something said for that...

(12-06-2021, 01:17 PM)PlayadLc Wrote: andrew russell
@pff_andrewr
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44m
joe burrow vs justin herbert in week 13:

Pff passing grade: Burrow (73.0), herbert (66.0)
clean pocket grade: Burrow (93.0), herbert (77.7)
big time throws: Burrow (4), herbert (1)
drops: Burrow (4), herbert (0)

sure, herbert got the win, but don't be fooled. Burrow was qb1.

(12-06-2021, 08:00 PM)jason Wrote: As Herbert flips his hair outta his eyes, points upward, and says "scoreboard".

(12-05-2021, 11:29 PM)Tony Wrote: I can't wait to see Trey Hills PFF rating....

(12-06-2021, 07:40 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I'll be sure to inform Pro Football Reference, Pro Baseball Reference, and every other Reference that they need to make sure that all the stats that are equally applied to every single player are changed just for very specific players just when we feel like it should.

He was 24 years, 9 months, 2 days old on Week 1. The dude is in his age 25 season.

Penei Sewell didn't turn 21 until after Week 4 this year. He wasn't 20 in every game he played last year (because he didn't play last year). He's still in his age 21 season.

(12-06-2021, 07:50 PM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: ...and while I admire Joe Burrow’s toughness I question the coaching staff and medical staff. Why? They didn’t pull Joe or Tee Higgins. Maybe I’m more concerned with the players’ long term health than trying to win an unwinnable game.

(12-05-2021, 10:56 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Colts? Wentz only has less ints than burrow. Everything else, burrow is better than Wentz.

Don’t say stuff if you don’t know what you’re talking about. Wentz has had a ton of dink dunk game managing games this season like the one burrow had against vegas

(12-06-2021, 12:59 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: 20-29 is average for Burrow this year...and when you're throwing so many passes at or hehind LOS, your completion rate should he at least that high.

Anyways, you seem to be missing what I'm driving at in your sensitivity to perceived Burrow criticism, which is...


This is what I'm trying to drive at. How do we have 3 quality receivers who are inarguably better than Herbert's, yet our guys struggle to get open, while Herbert's guys were WIDE open.

IMO, it's scheme above all else. We're not fooling anyone. Chase shouldn't be completely shut down just by shading a safety in his direction...and if he is, why can't we find a way around that?

(12-06-2021, 09:20 PM)MasonDT70 Wrote: And is still putting up better more efficient numbers in a game manager type situation. Burrow has struggled as of late and its pretty evident even if not all of it is his fault like the chase int from yesterday. 

(12-06-2021, 08:04 PM)jason Wrote: Dude's a bum...